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Post by futureazcoach on Aug 3, 2008 12:31:45 GMT -6
Coaches,
are program runs a no huddle, or is set up to be no huddle. But we are short in numbers so far (during summer camp, but school starts this week) and dont know if we should push the pace or sit back and control the clock. Any thoughts on this?
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Post by Yash on Aug 3, 2008 12:34:53 GMT -6
I like to sit back and control the clock. What are you better at? Offense or defense. If you are better at offense sit back, control the clock and keep the defense on the bench. If you are a solid defensive team then don't be afraid to push the pace forcing the other team to keep up and potentially cause some turnovers.
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Post by airraider on Aug 3, 2008 12:38:45 GMT -6
You dont have to huddle to burn clock... we have a check with me pace.. a nascar pace.. and an Indy pace..
Check with me.. we line up.. dummy cadence.. and then call a play.. no hurry here..
Nascar we call the play from the line with no dummy...
Indy we are calling the play before the ball is spotted.
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Post by fbdoc on Aug 3, 2008 12:46:29 GMT -6
If you have athletes you push the pace. If you don't have athletes (and the risk of 3 and Out is greater) then you slow things down to keep the ball out of their hands. Remember, if You have the ball, THEY can't score! Use of tempos is good but for the most part, your athletes (or lack of them) will determine your tempo.
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Post by futureazcoach on Aug 3, 2008 12:47:44 GMT -6
Defense we dont know yet. Mainly for the fact pads are not on yet, and about thirty percent of our players have never played before. Should the lack of numbers play a part? Do you push the pace with smaller numbers?
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Post by fbdoc on Aug 3, 2008 12:57:39 GMT -6
Ok you've got small numbers in the program. Whose going to be on offense? Answer - your best players. Now, whose going to be on defense? Answer - those SAME players. You need to keep in mind the conditioning factor for your guys. If you're running an up tempo offense those guys are going to be gassed having to play both ways (plus special teams). There is nothing wrong with no huddle, as it could actually be better with fewer numbers, but my advice for this year is to slow things down.
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Post by futureazcoach on Aug 3, 2008 13:02:13 GMT -6
the main reason besides numbers for me wanting to stick with a slower pace is we have several motions that we run for our base plays. Our HC believes in using motion to make the defense make the mistakes.
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Post by raiderpirates on Aug 3, 2008 13:38:44 GMT -6
Push the pace right now regardless, provided you account for full hydration and other medical/trainer issues.
Game day is far away, the more reps you do now it will determine a lot of what you can implement and at what pace they can execute.
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Post by futureazcoach on Aug 3, 2008 14:13:15 GMT -6
What kind of reps do you think gets the most out of prac? Right now the last few weeks of camp we worked more of 7on7 drills and then team. Where the wr's and qbs would run thru all our passes and then the linemen and qb's with backs would go thru running game. From there into team. To coach the little things the position coaches work with their players during each of these sessions individually or talking to each group (x,y,a,z,w) and then also having the o.c. being able to see the big picture with a competing nature.
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Post by raiderpirates on Aug 3, 2008 14:37:38 GMT -6
As others have said 7 on 7 tend to have some some issues with dropback depth at the second level.
We did half line drills(often had to due to lack of players) and it worked okay to one side of the play but still got a bit over exuberant on the pursuit.
Guys loved the settle and noose(we call it settle/spacing). We broke the dig route distance in half. Coach started trying to jump the routes. We had it every time after the first one he did that on. Everyone was paying attention and determining a sense of how to find extra space and seal defenders off the football's delivery angle.
That's after starting with MESH and Smash stuff. The settle concept works right into a MESH once teams get tired of being run into each other on man coverage. Kids love the mesh. Especially the TE types. They begin to read how their teammate is being covered and get a sense of how to settle clearing the MESH. If he's being chased you are too, so somebody will rub their coverage on the mesh, if they collision it from MLB just read the dig past it..
I'd say it's a matter of knowing who starts. If that isn't determined yet you need baby steps to get people on execution, and help evaluate. If you're dealing with known knowns then get into the concept part of practice.
As others here with more experience than me note, drills can work a lot of that too. Break those route concepts down the break point and rep them out, etc. Then you have the QB basically almost to his release point and the line of wr starting just before the break point and they get more reps in at quicker paces.
You would think it would not work but from what we've seen it does indeed accelerate reps. The hitch is a short route already so the timing remains the same.
Bill Walsh didn't run slants full speed because it limited the completion chances. The wideouts were more in control of the catch turned down just a notch. The fact he was able to work this into real game time is proof that slowing drills down and shortening the them to coming out of breaks can and will work when applied to certain game instances to an extremely high percentage.
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Post by futureazcoach on Aug 3, 2008 18:11:33 GMT -6
As for who starts we have the starting wr's and backs already. As long as there is no piss down leg for two or three of them once pads come on. But we have about three to five wr's that are ok, two with speed. And two small small backs. That's one of the other reasons i want a faster pace is these kids are lil energizer bunnies that run all day long.
Also would i want to be more aggresive and faster pace if my defense is going to be taking chances and blitzing a mojority of the time?
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Post by touchdowng on Aug 3, 2008 22:05:30 GMT -6
Listen to fbdoc
Low in numbers and maybe short on athletes?
Slow it down - shorten the game - give your guys the best chance to win by getting them in the best play possible.
When you have numbers and/or athletes - hit the gas!
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Post by cltblkhscoach on Aug 4, 2008 2:03:19 GMT -6
I can relate well to this one - we actually planned on being no huddle until we realized our numbers would kill us doing this. We are going to a ball control scheme because of this, but once we get the program going we'll probably go to the no huddle like we planned before.
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 4, 2008 6:51:32 GMT -6
what you do on offense affects your special teams and your defense. and your defense is the only one of the three that can prevent the other team from scoring.
Sooner or later your defense will run up against an offense that cant make the stop or stops and needs your offense to control the clock, grind it out, 3 yards and a cloud of dust. You cant just flip the switch from no huddle to huddle.
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Post by airman on Aug 5, 2008 13:34:55 GMT -6
I say jack it up. great thing is you can increase the pace regardless of the offense. I think the double wing offense would be a great run the ball, jack up the tempo offense.
conditioning is what wins games. your team will be in greater condition then the other team.
I know a small school of around 275 kids who run the ball but at a fast pace.
you can always slow a no huddle down.
what people do not understand about a up tempo no huddle attack is you are not going to burn out in the 3rd quarter. Up tempo no huddle teams score their most points in the 2nd and 4th quarters. the other team is fresh in the 1st quarter and in the 3rd quarter after halftime and tires in the 2nd, in particular the last 6 minutes of the 2nd quarter. I have seen no huddle up tempo teams score many times in the last 6 miin of the second quarter on long run plays.
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Post by playfast on Aug 5, 2008 19:14:53 GMT -6
We are going no huddle for the first time this year and of course our numbers are at it's lowest!
I just figure what the heck we talk and talk about it let's do it!!!
Even with low numbers and playing kids both ways it comes down to practicing the right way. Our goal is to snap the ball every 7 seconds on offense. We want to lengthen the game in terms of number of plays we get.
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