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Post by td4tc on Aug 3, 2008 10:22:28 GMT -6
saw an american college team do this two years ago.can't remember who.tried it on our JV team this year(lousy kicker anyway).worked very well.defense was off guard and we converted a high rate using two or three set plays that we practiced daily for this in our special teams time. more kids got on the score sheet too and they loved it. thinking of maybe doing this at the Varsity level this year. anybody else do this???the added bonus was that the one time we needed to go for two to win the game there was no stress on the kids and we converted(coach's blood pressure was a problem though till we caught it)
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dcoach84
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Post by dcoach84 on Aug 3, 2008 17:45:07 GMT -6
I am wondering the same thing. By going for two all the time, you don't have to spend time on PAT during practice and your goal line offense would probably be better (because you can spend more time on it). I have coached teams that have spent way too much time on PAT at practice and then we miss every stinkin' PAT during the game. Just not sure if going for 2 every time is a good idea or not???
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2008 18:04:08 GMT -6
Mathematically speaking, Going for 2 every time needs only work 1/2 as often as kicking to be equal. Unfortunately, that mathematical logic only works perfectly if the season was one continuous homogeneous unit, and not 10 separate segments.
I think the primary driver of the decision is obviously how successful your kicker is. If he isn't going to make more than 6 out of ten, I would go for two.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 3, 2008 18:46:58 GMT -6
The problem with the "mathematics" argument (Like CoachD said) is that you might convert 50% of your 2-pt. conversions, but that is still NOT the same as converting 100% of 1 pt. conversions. Against bad team, you may convert all of your two-point conversions but against the GOOD teams, you might not convert any. So, you season average may be 50% or better on 2-pt conversions, but, when you really needed points against a good team, you left them on the field because you couldn't convert the 2-pt conversion.
I was a part of a playoff team a few years ago that went for 2 after every score. We scored 6 TDs in that game but didn't convert any of them. 0 for 6! So, we had 36 points but lost because the other team, which had only scored 5 TDs, made 6/7 of their PAT kicks (they eventually beat us in overtime). Had we just attempted and made 1 PAT in that game, we would have made it to the state quarterfinals.
The other issue I have always had with going with the 2-pt conversion every time is that the OC is under tremendous pressure to essentially call two scoring plays in a row when calling one TD is tough enough to do. I think that it is much easier on the OC to call that scoring play and then get the PAT team on the field.
So, I guess what I am saying is that sometimes, 1 pt. is better than 2.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Aug 3, 2008 20:36:59 GMT -6
I hate having to go for 2 every time. 19delta is exactly right. It forces the OC to call two scoring plays in a row and just getting one is hard enough. Sometimes it is a matter of necessity since your kicker isn't very good and I understand that. If I had it my way though, I would have a fairly reliable kicker and only go for 2 when needed.
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burn
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Post by burn on Aug 3, 2008 21:30:43 GMT -6
One of the problems of going for two every time is not developing a kicker. You may be at the 10 yard line with 4th and goal or you may be at the 15 with two seconds on the clock and kicking a field goal may be a better option. If you always go for two and you have a kid who has not kicked all year and rush him out there then you may be doomed. My two cents anyway.
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Post by airman on Aug 5, 2008 15:09:51 GMT -6
I have never been in this situation but how hard is it to find a PAT kicker.
20 yd fg. I have had offensive lineman be our pat guy. there has to be some one who can kick a pat. maybe it is johnny 5th string rec.
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Post by k on Aug 5, 2008 20:15:21 GMT -6
When I played we didn't go for one field goal or PAT in four years of high school that included four straight trips to the state semi finals.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 5, 2008 20:23:05 GMT -6
The year Don Markhams HS team set a then scoring record of 880 points, they went for 2 every time. Not sure exactly why but they did run the DOuble Wing, Bloomington HS California, 2000+ ,students then is my understanding.
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