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Post by levydisciple on Jul 26, 2008 2:15:49 GMT -6
...If you were asked by a junior who attends your school to sit in on team meetings, attend practices, games, etc. to better understand coaching? Assuming the student was well-behaved, attentive, and wasn't a problem distraction-wise, would that be a problem? I'd love to do this to better understand the profession, but I have no way to convey my feelings to my school's HC. He's a reasonable guy, and from what I can tell a good coach (he was also my gym teacher in middle school and 10th grade), so I don't think he'd consider me a distraction... but is it rude/unreasonable to just "shadow" him? Granted, it's not like I'm asking for a coaching position, and 95% of the time I'd be sitting in the back of the room or near the outskirts of practice just watching. And being from the school, it's not like I'd sell secrets to a rival school or something weird like that....
What are your guys' thoughts?
And assuming it's a good idea, how would I explain that I'd love to do this?
And before anyone suggests joining the team, it's because I have really poor vision, and I can't get those bloody contacts in my eyes. Besides, I'd rather coach- I'm weird like that.
Thanks for all input, by the way.
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Post by talexander on Jul 26, 2008 3:49:35 GMT -6
I would suggest asking to help out in another small area as well, that way it might seem like that you are interested in helping the team as well.
Personally, as a head coach I would be much more inclined to have someone "hanging around" practice if he helped with other things. There are a ton of things that come to mind-equipment, manager, film coordinator---or, you could just ask if you could help set up drills. I would suggest that you also tell him your intentions.
I would be thrilled if I had such an arrangement with a student!
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Post by rideanddecide on Jul 26, 2008 5:25:09 GMT -6
I would think the biggest area of concern would be coaches meetings. There is a lot of talk about personnel during those meetings and I would feel very uncomfortable allowing another student to hear those discussions.
If a student approached me with this I would find something productive for him to do to both help the team and help him learn more about coaching.
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Post by phantom on Jul 26, 2008 5:31:28 GMT -6
Can't do it. Part of the discussion will be about personnel and some of that talk will include character. We can't have kids sitting in on talk about other kids.
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Post by rideanddecide on Jul 26, 2008 5:46:30 GMT -6
Can't do it. Part of the discussion will be about personnel and some of that talk will include character. We can't have kids sitting in on talk about other kids. Exactly....but the kid can still do something productive to help the team. Make him a position manager. Kid is the specific manager for the given position, but while he's there he can listen to the coaching and watch the drill. I know many coaches differ on this philosophy, but we are a small town (2,100 population). I say if someone wants to be a part of our program we'll find a way to make it work, but we will also be very clear about our expectations. Hey, the more people in town that are positively involved in your program the more you have an opportunity to sell what you're doing. |
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Post by justwingit on Jul 26, 2008 7:17:44 GMT -6
Heck yes, we could find a way to use you - you would be like a grad assistant in college - Can use help setting up drills, marking the practice and game fields, copying tapes, manager stuff too.
Just ask the coach - the worse he can say is no.
I agree with the other coaches that you would not be able to sit in on coach's meeting because of the privacy needed but heck yes we could groom you as am assistant assistant coach. How soon can you transfer to Missouri.
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 26, 2008 10:03:27 GMT -6
We've had our student reporters ask to do the same (to do a background story) during our season. Kind of a behind the scenes look at HS FB.
We let them come to everything that the players were at. If it was coaches only, that's where we drew the line. For the same
reasons as many have already described.
After 1 or 2 days, the reporters became invisible to us and our players. They did a good job of keeping out of the way. If they hadn't they would have been shown the door.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 26, 2008 12:42:53 GMT -6
Good responces. Getting involved as a manager, stat guy, video, helping a coach with drills, and other related tasks are the best way to get involved with football. Agree with everyone that kids cannot be in coaches only meetings. That's a no-brainer.
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Post by oguru on Jul 27, 2008 0:54:29 GMT -6
Heck yes, we could find a way to use you - you would be like a grad assistant in college - Can use help setting up drills, marking the practice and game fields, copying tapes, manager stuff too.i. As a college graduate assistant coach we do not do any of this stuff. At the school I am at Lower level division 2 school in ND. We actually all coach our own position,and I am going to be coordinatng special teams it looks like as well. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2008 8:38:34 GMT -6
oguru---surely you must realize that GA's at higher levels are completely different. It is sort of a gamble... assisting at a lower level give you much more responsibility...but it also keeps you in the satellite of the smaller level programs. Assisting at a higher level relegates you to much of the above, but you are "in the loop" as it were, and have a better chance staying in that loop.
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Post by oguru on Jul 27, 2008 9:28:14 GMT -6
I have never seen any of the D1 GA's I know set up drills, they have a ton of managers to do that and they have people already working at the schools to mark the fields,and most d1 programs also have a video coordinator who does all of the video work. GA's mainly break down film and run the scout teams at D1 level.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 27, 2008 9:38:43 GMT -6
oguru---looking back, I would agree that they don't necessarily do those specific things (although I know many who do the drill set up during practice, not pre practice) I guess the POINT I was trying to convey was that at the BCS D1 levels, GA's do not have the autonomy that a lower level GA does.
Bottom line, GA's at thebigger Div 1 level are more often than not coaches assistants. GA's at lower levels are simply assistant coaches (who are getting tuition grant in aids)
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Post by airman on Jul 28, 2008 15:49:26 GMT -6
I have what is called the student support staff at one school. They are not managers they are assistants to coaches. I have had this at only one school and it worked out.
every coach can use an extra pair of hands. I see nothing wrong with it other then they have to know up front that some meetings are personal meetings and they will not be in attendence.
they would set up drills, they would help out in drills. they ran the scout team with the cards. they would hold up the play on a card to the scout team and then the scout team would run that play. nice thing is you can get 2 to 4 scout huddles going so you do rapid fire plays like in a game.
each coach had an assistant to help them with things. some times the kids were so good with computers they made up the scouting reports.
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Post by airman on Jul 28, 2008 15:52:53 GMT -6
oguru---looking back, I would agree that they don't necessarily do those specific things (although I know many who do the drill set up during practice, not pre practice) I guess the POINT I was trying to convey was that at the BCS D1 levels, GA's do not have the autonomy that a lower level GA does. Bottom line, GA's at thebigger Div 1 level are more often than not coaches assistants. GA's at lower levels are simply assistant coaches (who are getting tuition grant in aids) I agree with you on this one. I know several guys who GA. the d1a ga's were lackies. they took care of the coaches dry cleaning, set up his appointments, washed his car, got down on his knees and serviced the coach if that was needed and oh yea, broke down the film so the real coach could do recruiting. GA at d3 is coaching a position. it is a numbers thing. 1 A is about putting your dues in. it is a good old boys club much like the nfl. it is not what you know it is who you know. D2 and D3 you actually get to do some thing. |
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