coach11
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Post by coach11 on Jul 18, 2008 23:40:10 GMT -6
This has puzzled me for years. I have had and seen some guys who I thought were D1-D1AA material, yet do they get any looks?? No! IMO, I think a kid who HONESTLY thinks he can go D1, and doesnt get an offer, it devastates him to where he doesnt want to play anymore.
We had a kicker last year, who honestly could kick 55-60 yard FG. He had a 85% touchback rate. There were many times he would hit the one yard line. I understand he is a kicker, and schloarships dont come often to them. No D1 came calling. D2 same story. Finally he decides to go a JC to walk-on!
This year we have two lineman who are very good. Both will be seniors. But let me set the scene for you.
Lineman A- 6'5 245, HARD worker!!! Great kid, great footwork, great blocker, Loves to workout and play the game. 3.2 GPA Wants to play college ball so bad!!!!
Lineman B-6'6 280, lazy, hates the weight room, (but can lift the world), not as great of feetwork, jumps offsides constantly, BAD GPA!!!! But can block anyone!!! Thinks USC is about to call his phone!!!
Now you tell me, (and of course without those facts) which one the college coaches like better?
There have been two D1 call, few D2 schools come by. Whats going on???
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Post by carson101 on Jul 19, 2008 3:54:04 GMT -6
What do you do to help get your kids looked at?, Do you make a resume packet for them for colleges to look at to spark some interest?What is the draw like in your state and how many kids get looks in your area? www.westernsportscamps.com/pdffiles/article.pdfWe do this for all our kids and also kids that come to our camp,more info on our website. |
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Post by carson101 on Jul 19, 2008 3:59:08 GMT -6
oops...
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 19, 2008 6:00:46 GMT -6
I suggest you sit down and ask the college coaches/scouts why and what they are looking at.
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coach11
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Post by coach11 on Jul 19, 2008 10:10:30 GMT -6
Well that's the thing. I have collected their best two games and sent to many, many colleges. D1 and D2. I have called, and honestly tried to do the best I can for these kids. "Come down to practice, come to a game" etc. I havent made a "resume" or had them put on rivals.com or anything, but I have definately contacted many coaches.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 19, 2008 15:28:06 GMT -6
If you have sent film and have talked to coaches then it's really out of your hands right now. Keep sending and calling. Maybe they aren't right for the level you are sending stuff to. The bottom line is maybe they can't play at that level. D-1 coaches are pretty picky when it comes to recruiting. Maybe they don't have what those schools are looking for. I talked to one of our former players today who went D-2 to a GLIAC school( which is pretty damn good football) which is switching conferences to the Pennsylvania state school conference (still pretty good ball) they were like 3-7 last year. He said all their incoming OL guys were 300+ and the DL guys were huge to. So there are alot of big guys out there who arent D-1 just for their size. I have found that alot of D-2 schools around here really recruit more during the season and after the season than this early, so you might hear from them more towards the middle end of the season. Usually they don't have alot of money to offer for D-2.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 20, 2008 7:44:53 GMT -6
DC,
Great point about building relationship with coaches. Honesty about your kid goes a long way. Dont be blinded by your own ambition for the kid. If the they take a kid based on what you say? and it turns out bad a.k. not the kid you told them he was, they wont touch another borderline prospect in your school.
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Post by biggroff on Jul 20, 2008 12:32:55 GMT -6
here is a college coach's perspective (Coach at a major JC program)
1) The 6'4 245 Lbs kid is 245 after working very hard lifting. A lot of college coaches will think that their own weightlifting program may not be able to add the 40 - 50 lbs need to play in 4 or 5 years. If he was 245 lb kid that hadn't lifted a lot there is lots of potential for him to grow. If he has worked hard already to get to 245 he may not be able to get above 265...too small to play Division 1 football. That being said I can't believe that a good solid D2 program would not be interested in that kid! Division 2 colleges usually do not recruit Juniors going into senior year. They will wait and recruit a kid after his senior season is over (Fall winter of senior year). Get his name out there to a couple of D2 schools and see what the reaction is after the season....I gotta think there will be some interest.
2) The bigger kid you said has no grades....FORGET IT!!! No college coach wants to hear that. IF he can get his grade situation better I think he should have a very good chance of getting some serious looks. ACT scores will be big for him.
However....JUCO might be the route for him. Sounds as if he has a frame and would fill out on a good college weightlifting program. Sounds as if he has lots of potential if the grade situation was better. I would try to sent him to a local JUCO program if your state has them if the grade situation does not improve.
3) Kickers are a dime a dozen. I hate to say it like that but it is the truth. We have 2 kickers on our roster right now that can kick 55 plus in high school. We have had our past 3 kickers go Division 1 and all of them had the same characteristic...a very high ball and 90 plus % kickoffs inside the 5 yd line.
Just an opinion based on what you have in your message....hope it helps.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 20, 2008 13:22:10 GMT -6
You also need to recognoze that recruiting is NOT an exact science. We had a kid (stud RB and a solid student) a few years ago who wanted to go to the local I-AA program but couldn't get a sniff from them - ended up getting a full ride from a I-AA in the northeast. Had another one (6'6 WR with speed, 1250 SAT) who wanted to go to an in state D-I who only offered a partial - He ended up with a full ride to different D-I. This year our only legitmate recruit had 12 coaches (I-AA, D-II, and NAIA) come by our school and look at his video - 6 said he was a nice prospect but couldn't play at their level, the other 6 offered anywhere from partial to full ride. He's going to a very good (academic) D-II school - tunred down another full ride to a I-AA program. My point is, every school is going to look at your players through their own filter (bias) and the skills that made him successful in your system might not appear to be a fit in theirs. Find a good school that has what they want ACADEMICALLY, as he is probably not going to play in the NFL. If they are good enough, the colleges will find them, if they are NOT, no amount of promotion by you or them will get them "scholarship" money.
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 20, 2008 14:40:29 GMT -6
Try creating a recruiting website. Check this out: www.neaseprospects.comI think I have heard that a website like that is pretty inexpensive to start up. Contact the coaches at Nease, I'm sure they could help you. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 20, 2008 16:16:26 GMT -6
You also need to recognoze that recruiting is NOT an exact science. We had a kid (stud RB and a solid student) a few years ago who wanted to go to the local I-AA program but couldn't get a sniff from them - ended up getting a full ride from a I-AA in the northeast. Had another one (6'6 WR with speed, 1250 SAT) who wanted to go to an in state D-I who only offered a partial - He ended up with a full ride to different D-I. This year our only legitmate recruit had 12 coaches (I-AA, D-II, and NAIA) come by our school and look at his video - 6 said he was a nice prospect but couldn't play at their level, the other 6 offered anywhere from partial to full ride. He's going to a very good (academic) D-II school - tunred down another full ride to a I-AA program. My point is, every school is going to look at your players through their own filter (bias) and the skills that made him successful in your system might not appear to be a fit in theirs. Find a good school that has what they want ACADEMICALLY, as he is probably not going to play in the NFL. If they are good enough, the colleges will find them, if they are NOT, no amount of promotion by you or them will get them "scholarship" money. Great anecdotes. Here are some from my personal experience. 2001, coaching at a FCS (formerly 1AA) school in the northeast. I just could not stand one of our coaches recruiting style. I thought he was fake/phoney..I thought he was condescending, and I thought he was just a bad judge of talent. So I set him (for my own amusement). Would never have done it if i didn't have a great (son like) relationship with the Header. I asked him to look at some tape, and evaluate the two opposing RB's and let me know if anyone else caught his eye. He did not know the tape was 5 years old from a LA state playoff game. His evaluation: "#21, pretty good, runs strong but a little high. Probably not as good as others on our board. #22 shifty, but suspect top speed. Would like to see some more film on him. Would be great walk ons, and possible partials. No players really stood out "In 2001 (the year he watched the 5 year old tape) #21 was the starting TB and MVP of The Ohio State University. He finished his career as the 13th all time leading rusher, even though he only started 15 games over career. He was drafted by the Texans. #22 finished his career as one of the leading rushers in the history of Louisiana High school Football. He was on numerous all american lists, he signed with Southern Miss, but was injured and his college career was never more than solid contributer. Between the two teams, no less than 7 players on that video signed division 1 Scholarships, with 5 others signing at Div 1AA schools. Soo...just do what you can, make sure the grades are AS HIGH AS THEY CAN BE...not just clearinghouse eligible, be quick on calling back and getting the coaches the info they need....and don't sweat it if they don't see what you do. |
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 20, 2008 16:27:00 GMT -6
LOL! Funny!
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