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Post by thakatalyst on Jul 16, 2008 21:30:57 GMT -6
Just curious about where your head coach spends most of his (or her) time, and how that affects the other sides of the ball. Thanks, coaches!
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Post by lochness on Jul 17, 2008 6:30:51 GMT -6
I've worked with 6 head coaches. Here's the break down so far: 2 HC's doubled as the DC 1 HC doubled as the OC 1 HC doubled as the SC 1 HC was the CEO type 1 HC was the "other  " as you've put in your survey |
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Post by phantom on Jul 17, 2008 11:21:56 GMT -6
I moved this from the General Defensive board because I felt that this was the better forum for it and I think it'll get more responses here.
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Post by kr7263 on Jul 17, 2008 11:44:07 GMT -6
I worked for a CEO type (at NCAA DII level) and boy did he micro-manage. Assts dreaded him going into a meeting or individual sessions because he invariably taught something we weren't. He was a great coach and knew his stuff, he just didn't follow the day to day verbiage and technique stuff. The kids knew the drill too, respected him (he had coached 10 yrs DIA coordinator) but knew he would pull stuff out from some past program he worked with. He also was VERY demanding and would constantly chew out assts in closed door meetings. We would have to have extra markers in our pocket because he would whip them at the wall all the time.
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Post by saintrad on Jul 17, 2008 11:51:00 GMT -6
well, our HC is bald if that has any influence on anything. Seriously, he just handed over the OC reigns to me this year and is focusing on ST and CEO duties this season.
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Post by sin86 on Jul 17, 2008 22:24:47 GMT -6
I work with both a high school coach and a middle school coach. The HS coach does everything and has never had a coaching staff of more than two coaches (including himself) until this year (6 this year). He is a good coach who really knows his football, but doesn't think anyone else can do anything (probably right). This one is a good other.
The MS coach is right the opposite very inept and thinks he knows football. He also calls everything but does not know the offense so it is usually a disaster and defense has one call blitz everybody. We continually lose but his excuse is that we don't have any talent. This one is definitely other but just a bad other.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jul 18, 2008 10:18:27 GMT -6
Sorry, guys. I don't want this to be a bashing session of your currnet head coach.
Just wondering what side of the ball they focus on and how it affects everything else. For example, do you have a head coach who is offensive/defensive-minded head coach and sub-consciously favors that side at the expense of the other aspects of the game?
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Post by dubber on Jul 18, 2008 13:15:15 GMT -6
Really, I am of the strong opinion that a HC should be a CEO FIRST!
IF he does anything in addition to that, it should be special teams (it makes sense because he will be making the "4th and 1 do we go for it? calls", etc.)
However, I feel coordinating a defense, and definitely an offense, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, means you should work 60 hours a week on football (plus 40 hours teaching). Something suffers.
A ton of HC's are too caught up in coordinating to hand the reins over.......ie, I don't call the plays, I don't get the glory, etc.
The best HC, of which mine is, gives up control, and does what an HC should do: organize, discipline, set the tone, attitude..........................REALLY, ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE A TEAM GOOD OR BAD!!!
Sometimes, we coaches can be like the fans and get things backwards.
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Post by thakatalyst on Jul 18, 2008 13:26:52 GMT -6
Really, I am of the strong opinion that a HC should be a CEO FIRST! IF he does anything in addition to that, it should be special teams (it makes sense because he will be making the "4th and 1 do we go for it? calls", etc.) However, I feel coordinating a defense, and definitely an offense, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, means you should work 60 hours a week on football (plus 40 hours teaching). Something suffers. A ton of HC's are too caught up in coordinating to hand the reins over.......ie, I don't call the plays, I don't get the glory, etc. The best HC, of which mine is, gives up control, and does what an HC should do: organize, discipline, set the tone, attitude.......................... REALLY, ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE A TEAM GOOD OR BAD!!!Sometimes, we coaches can be like the fans and get things backwards. All great points, coach! Thanks. |
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Post by phantom on Jul 18, 2008 14:07:40 GMT -6
Really, I am of the strong opinion that a HC should be a CEO FIRST! IF he does anything in addition to that, it should be special teams (it makes sense because he will be making the "4th and 1 do we go for it? calls", etc.) However, I feel coordinating a defense, and definitely an offense, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, means you should work 60 hours a week on football (plus 40 hours teaching). Something suffers. A ton of HC's are too caught up in coordinating to hand the reins over.......ie, I don't call the plays, I don't get the glory, etc. The best HC, of which mine is, gives up control, and does what an HC should do: organize, discipline, set the tone, attitude.......................... REALLY, ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE A TEAM GOOD OR BAD!!!Sometimes, we coaches can be like the fans and get things backwards. Our HC is a really good one. He's the OC but he's also a former DC and understands the importance of STs. As the DC I have no problem with the amount of time/emphasis on defense. |
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Post by dubber on Jul 19, 2008 9:39:40 GMT -6
You know, some guys can balance it all, but as a rule it works better with another guy running the offense.
And, although there is no direct proof for this, I still maintain the HC would do better handing over the reins.
But some guys make it work.......I just think it could work better if that responsibility was relinquished
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Post by seagull73 on Jul 19, 2008 20:44:55 GMT -6
If you're bashing your HC on this board I hope you have told him the same stuff to his face. If you see a problem with his style & say nothing you are part of the problem. I am a HC & am lucky to have a staff who will say what they feel all the time. I don't want yes men. If your HC wants yes men have the balls to tell it like it is and move on if necessary. Too many assistants take the easy way out and don't rock the boat in fear of pi$$ing people off. Dont bi+ch, fix it!
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 19, 2008 22:21:19 GMT -6
Our HC does the CEO thing plus DC. He also has his hand in the Offense as well as the Special teams. I think that sometimes it is hard to delegate.
I am glad that I am a position coach.
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Post by givepullorpitch on Jul 19, 2008 23:29:59 GMT -6
Our HC is the greatest I have EVER worked for. I have even been a HC half of my coaching career. I could not let go as much as our boss. I was the OC during my head coaching tenure. I was pretty good about letting the DC and SC do their job but couldn't give up on being OC.
Our HC has surrounded himself with experienced, good (I hope), coordinators and lets us do our job. When our offense is unsuccessfull, it frustrates me more than even when I was the head coach because I don't want to let our head coach down because he trusts me so much. He is a better man than I.
Same for our DC. Our head coach is more of a defensive guy and spends most of his time in the defensive staff meetings, but still lets the DC do the job.
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Post by k on Jul 20, 2008 0:06:58 GMT -6
HC is OC.
Runs every aspect of that. From steps of linemen (flat or 45 first step on downblocks?) to what foot the receiver has up pre-snap. From playcalling in games to how many reps each linemen gets on the sled. EVERYTHING!
He gives 100% control of the defense to the DC. He doesn't even know what defense we run. I am not joking about that either.
He "shares" control of ST with the ST guy.
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Post by rideanddecide on Jul 20, 2008 5:17:54 GMT -6
Really, I am of the strong opinion that a HC should be a CEO FIRST! IF he does anything in addition to that, it should be special teams (it makes sense because he will be making the "4th and 1 do we go for it? calls", etc.) However, I feel coordinating a defense, and definitely an offense, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, means you should work 60 hours a week on football (plus 40 hours teaching). Something suffers. A ton of HC's are too caught up in coordinating to hand the reins over.......ie, I don't call the plays, I don't get the glory, etc. The best HC, of which mine is, gives up control, and does what an HC should do: organize, discipline, set the tone, attitude.......................... REALLY, ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE A TEAM GOOD OR BAD!!!Sometimes, we coaches can be like the fans and get things backwards. Have you been an HC? Have you tried to be a CEO and hand the reigns over only to find out how much you miss that part of coaching? Have you tried to recruit coaches to a small school in a small town to work 60 hours a week on top of their real job for a $1500 paycheck? And it's not about getting the glory by calling the game, for some of us it's about enjoying that aspect of coaching because it's fun or putting the responsibility on yourself. As HC you're going to take the heat for any call made, you may as well have made it. |
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Post by thakatalyst on Jul 20, 2008 13:23:08 GMT -6
My HC is more of a CEO-type, as well, but he does focus more on offense than defense. It has worked out pretty well for us thus far. As the DC, he has given me every opportunity to create an identity on defense; listened to my opinions on practice structure, in fact, I actually make the practice plan on defensive emphasis days. He has been an OC, DC, and STC, and has relinquished those duties over the last two seasons. He handles all the "dirty" work of dealing with parents, boosters, paperwork, etc, and I know I wouldn't want to do his job. I've been with OC/HC and DC/HC, and one aspect of the game always suffered.
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Post by dubber on Jul 20, 2008 18:07:19 GMT -6
Really, I am of the strong opinion that a HC should be a CEO FIRST! IF he does anything in addition to that, it should be special teams (it makes sense because he will be making the "4th and 1 do we go for it? calls", etc.) However, I feel coordinating a defense, and definitely an offense, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, means you should work 60 hours a week on football (plus 40 hours teaching). Something suffers. A ton of HC's are too caught up in coordinating to hand the reins over.......ie, I don't call the plays, I don't get the glory, etc. The best HC, of which mine is, gives up control, and does what an HC should do: organize, discipline, set the tone, attitude.......................... REALLY, ALL THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKE A TEAM GOOD OR BAD!!!Sometimes, we coaches can be like the fans and get things backwards. Have you been an HC? Have you tried to be a CEO and hand the reigns over only to find out how much you miss that part of coaching? Have you tried to recruit coaches to a small school in a small town to work 60 hours a week on top of their real job for a $1500 paycheck? And it's not about getting the glory by calling the game, for some of us it's about enjoying that aspect of coaching because it's fun or putting the responsibility on yourself. As HC you're going to take the heat for any call made, you may as well have made it. Just a guess here, but  are you an OC/HC? |
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