MaineManiac
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Post by MaineManiac on Jul 16, 2008 11:58:57 GMT -6
How many of you guys take your team off site for the first week of practice? We've rented a summer sports camp and will travel there with one other school this year.
What advice can you offer on how to use the vast increase of time - Generally, we've created a plan that is built around the following:
(2) 2 hour normal practice sessions (1) 1 hour film session/boards (1) 45 minute special teams session (1) 30 minute evening walk-through
We have also built a plan to incorporate a number of leisure/team building events into the week - i.e. competitions of mind and body, movie night, celebratory dinner that the cheerleaders come to.
I'd love to hear your ideas and get some feedback on ours.
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Post by superpower on Jul 16, 2008 12:07:36 GMT -6
How many of you guys take your team off site for the first week of practice? We've rented a summer sports camp and will travel there with one other school this year. What advice can you offer on how to use the vast increase of time - Generally, we've created a plan that is built around the following: (2) 2 hour normal practice sessions (1) 1 hour film session/boards (1) 45 minute special teams session (1) 30 minute evening walk-through We have also built a plan to incorporate a number of leisure/team building events into the week - i.e. competitions of mind and body, movie night, celebratory dinner that the cheerleaders come to. I'd love to hear your ideas and get some feedback on ours. I have never taken a team off site for camp, but my only input would be to make sure you have very good supervision at all times. There have been too many stories in recent years about initiation rituals at off site camps.
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Post by MaineManiac on Jul 16, 2008 12:12:08 GMT -6
Very true. Geographically we haven't seen much hazing here in Maine - though I'm not sure why.
You raise a really good point about supervision though. We did have a kid in Maine drown in a lake while away at an off site camp. This is one of the major reasons we decided to bring our entire frosh staff as well.
Anyone think we've packed in too much football to absorb? Too little?
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Post by wingtol on Jul 16, 2008 12:35:04 GMT -6
Around here it's very comon for teams to goto camp for a week during our two weeks of padded pre-season. Some teams have cut back due to money and what not but each program I have coached at has gone to camp.
First off I would agree that supervision is paramount when you go. Your responsible for what happens and you better make sure the kids know what you expect and be swift in what you do if rules are broken or not followed. To be honest we have never had a huge problem with any behaviors or activities, of course you have a bunch of tennage boys together so bear that in mind. Sure we have had to get kids up and run or do up downs when they keep screwing around after lights out. But thats been about it. Like I said make your rules very clear and follow up on what you say set the tone early and often. We have been lucky to have parents who come out and help out so that makes it good to. Not sure how you plan on getting there but we take all car keys and cell phones and keep them in the coaches cabin. If there is an emergency the parents know to call us or if the kids need to they can use thier phones in the coaches cabin.
As far as football goes its great cause those kids are yours all week 24/7. We get em up early and run and stretch them for about 20 mins since the beds usually suck. Give them time to eat and clean up and get on the field around 8-9 am go for 2/2-1/2 hours. Give them a half hour break do special teams for 45mins. then lunch. After lunch we might do some film or just give them time to rest. The first day they usually arent to tired but they def. will rest after the first day. Get back on the field around 5pm go for 2/ 2-1/2 hours again then let them clean up and have dinner. We will do films after dinner for a bit or other team building activites. Then lights out around 11.
My big advice is plan to do a lot in between practices but don't be shocked if you end up not doing anything in between sessions. Camp wears them out and it will wear the coaches out to. Most of the kids will rest when given the chance. We make it a really tough week and really get after it at camp. Don't forget to make it fun at times. It's been one of the best experiences for any of the teams I have coached our teams have really bonded during camp and most kids say its one of the best things they do in HS. We talked about not going this year and I thought some of the seniors were gonna cry when we told them.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 16, 2008 12:44:19 GMT -6
do the pro's outweigh the con's?
can all the things some have mentioned doing in camp (# of meetings, time involved, # practices, etc.) be done without going anywhere? i.e. couldn't you still have an 8 am meeting without going to a camp?
with cost of travel, room, board and extra need for supervision, rules not to mention the extra burden of planning and simply leading the camp ... seems like alot of work that is not necessary when compared to staying at home.
obviously, the team building exercises, chemistry aspect is going to be tremendous by going to a camp... probably can't fully achieve that by staying home (although one could make attempts).
so, for those that have done both ... are the pro's for an off-site camp that much greater than the con's?
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Post by wingtol on Jul 16, 2008 12:51:58 GMT -6
do the pro's outweigh the con's? can all the things some have mentioned doing in camp (# of meetings, time involved, # practices, etc.) be done without going anywhere? i.e. couldn't you still have an 8 am meeting without going to a camp? with cost of travel, room, board and extra need for supervision, rules not to mention the extra burden of planning and simply leading the camp ... seems like alot of work that is not necessary when compared to staying at home. obviously, the team building exercises, chemistry aspect is going to be tremendous by going to a camp... probably can't fully achieve that by staying home (although one could make attempts). so, for those that have done both ... are the pro's for an off-site camp that much greater than the con's? YES Camp is well worth it if you can do it. It's a totally different dynamic to interact with the team. Everybody there knows they are there for a week of football with little to no distraction. Just football. It's not like we go and have marathon practices or do anything really different. It's just the setting and dynamic of being at camp that I fell amps up the week and makes it an invaluable tool for us to be able to use.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 16, 2008 13:04:55 GMT -6
i think it would be fun especially from the player's perspective ... just not allowable here. i can see some great benefits to it ... but, at the same time, man ... that is one large undertaking both financially and personnel-wise.
since not permissable here, we still try to plan it as such with the meetings, practice, schedule, etc... basically, set up meetings, weight sessions, practices in a similar fashion as others might. then, we can merely send 'em home.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 16, 2008 13:10:21 GMT -6
Its really not that huge of a deal money wise for us. We get the camp ground for around $1000 depending on where we go, most summer camp places are shut down by then for back to school and are looking for some extra money around here. The boosters rise about $1000 or so for food and cook themselves. Thats for about 60 or so people.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 16, 2008 13:14:56 GMT -6
$2,000? that's it? sure sounds awful low. 60 people - 3 meals a day - 5 days = 900 meals. you can get meals for just over a dollar a meal? not to mention the incidentals of flatware, napkins, cleaning supplies, etc. i would think means alone would be at leat 4-5 dollars per person per meal ... meaning the meal budget would be closer to $3,000.
again, having never done a full camp, don't know what your particulars are. however, we've done several coaches retreats and 12 coaches x 3 meals X 3 days ususally costs us over a thousand.
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2008 13:17:00 GMT -6
we've done several coaches retreats and 12 coaches x 3 meals X 3 days ususally costs us over a thousand. they aren't supplying beer to the kids though huey!
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 16, 2008 13:20:21 GMT -6
good point, there, tog .... still a meal would run us about 5 per person counting drinks (non-alcoholic), flatware, etc.
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Post by parkway on Jul 16, 2008 13:47:20 GMT -6
Our QB club expects each kid to raise about 200 dollars when going to camp. We have about 50 kids on the team, so, yes, it can be expensive. We go to a local college and stay in the dorms. I'm not sure about everyone's situation, but when going away to camp, you do not have as much "free" time as you'd expect. First, you are a slave to the cafeteria schedule. The kids can only eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner at certain times. You do not have a lot of time between breakfast and lunch, and lunch and dinner. As a result, you do not have a lot of time for meetings. You have some time at night, but not if your expecting to do a lot of team building activities.
Probably the biggest pro of going to camp is that there are no distractions. We don't let kids take cell phones. So, it is all football. No girlfriend, no dad criticizing the coaches at dinner, none of that crap.
Do you need to go away to camp: absolutely not. I've done both throughout the years and I still say this. If you've waited until camp to build your team or to find out which kids are going to compete, then you've waited to long. What have you done since January? I think the money can be better spent elsewhere. But, that is just my opinion.
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Post by MaineManiac on Jul 16, 2008 14:11:13 GMT -6
Huey -
Great point on the cost and the worth when that is factored into the equation. One reason I haven't hear mentioned that we decided to go is that our district is large - made up of 3 rural towns in Maine. Two major issues arise with this - 1) Transportation to and from practice during doubles. For some kids it is a 45 minute ride home. Then, they don't bother and we end up with the supervision element anyway. 2) Because it is 3 towns - kids don't know each other.
Our cost is much more. We rent the full facility with 3 catered meals a day for $110 per person. All in all that should cost us about $5,500.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 16, 2008 17:51:39 GMT -6
We are blessed being a lake front community there are a lot of summer camp type places that we can go and use the cabins and mess halls. We don't goto a college or some dorm type place this is rustic sleeping in bunk beds 10 to a cabin just like when you were 10 years old. So we arent breaking the bank there, we rent the facility for like I said about 1000. I think the Y camp ground we used chared like 800 but there were some other people around. It might vary up to 1500 or so.
For food we have been blessed to have some great parents who do all the cooking for lunch and dinners. Breakfast is cold ceral and muffins and that type stuff. Lunch they do hamburger hot dog type stuff and left overs from dinner the night before. We don't have it catered or have to use a food service so that keeps price down. Maybe it's more than 1000 but no more than double that.
Also our typical camp is Sun-Thrs afternoon. We break camp thrs. and scrimmage on Fri. or if its on a Sat we still break camp Thrs and do a pre-game walk thru Fri at school for the srimmage. So that also helps keep costs down.
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Post by airraider on Jul 16, 2008 18:19:49 GMT -6
We used to travel about 3 hours to our camp.. was a Baptist encampment.. they had a ropes course.. and that was great..
we got there on Monday.. practiced that evening full pads..
then on tues we practiced full pads in the morning and evening.. and had a short afternoon special situations practice with just helmets on.. went over special teams and such..
We did the same thing on weds..
Then on Thursday we practiced that morning.. then packed and ate lunch before leaving..
We then would scrimmage a team that next day on Friday..
LOVED it..
I checked into prices for my school to go there this year.. and it was roughly $100 per kid for the whole trip.. this included meals, sleeping quarters, and the ropes course..
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Post by MaineManiac on Jul 16, 2008 18:31:01 GMT -6
Thanks for the ideas guys - It is interesting that the two most talked about issues are supervision and cost. These are the times we live in....
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