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Post by saintrad on Jul 16, 2008 10:55:56 GMT -6
How do you coaches decided how coachable a player is? Is there a specific definition or is it based on you perception of the player? Please discuss.
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Post by superpower on Jul 16, 2008 11:04:04 GMT -6
Does the player do what the coach has requested or instructed? Does he do it with enthusiasm? Does the player put the team ahead of himself?
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Post by lochness on Jul 16, 2008 11:17:20 GMT -6
Does the player understand that the coach's role is to improve his performance?
Does the player understand that he is not being negatively criticized, he is actually being given feedback to make him a better athlete?
Does the player take it personally when he is told something he doesn't want to hear?
Can the player understand the feedback and apply it to his job on the field?
Does the player execute his assignments and alignments as he was coached, or does he like to do this "his own way?"
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MaineManiac
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Post by MaineManiac on Jul 16, 2008 11:48:39 GMT -6
Is the player open to improvement to the team and/or self?
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burn
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Post by burn on Jul 16, 2008 12:46:43 GMT -6
I see it in their eyes as I correct them. I either get FU eyes, I'm gonna cry eyes or I'm gonna get it done eyes. We celebrate the I'm gonna get it done kids and we try to affectively change the other two.
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Post by saintrad on Jul 16, 2008 13:02:06 GMT -6
How do you coaches deal with the FU eyes? player ego when it gets in the way of their improvement?
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Post by tog on Jul 16, 2008 13:04:47 GMT -6
How do you coaches deal with the FU eyes? player ego when it gets in the way of their improvement? this is the biggest factor in changing a FU kid to a coachable kid and this is mainly done by 1. the coach realizing that they are kids--they will have this attitude from time to time--some more than others-but realize the reasons why 2. respect/relationships with the kids beyond athletics--they need to know that you care for them--not just hear lip service to that effect |
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Post by justryn2 on Jul 16, 2008 17:08:56 GMT -6
IMHO, every player is coachable. The key is finding out what methods work with each individual. For some, its a more egalitarian approach; for others it a kick in the a$$. In fact, the same player may need a different approach on any given day.
Having said that, maybe not every player is worth this level of effort. I'll admit it, I've given up on some players because the return value to the team did not seem worth the effort. But, bottom line is there is a way to coach every player if you're willing to put in the time and effort.
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Post by optionguy on Jul 16, 2008 18:08:11 GMT -6
How do you coaches deal with the FU eyes? player ego when it gets in the way of their improvement? this is the biggest factor in changing a FU kid to a coachable kid and this is mainly done by 1. the coach realizing that they are kids--they will have this attitude from time to time--some more than others-but realize the reasons why 2. respect/relationships with the kids beyond athletics--they need to know that you care for them--not just hear lip service to that effect These points are so true, esp. the second one. When the player, who is still a "child,"-- even though he may look like a man--knows that you care about him as more than a player, it is amazing how well that young man will perform for you. |
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burn
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Post by burn on Jul 16, 2008 23:07:02 GMT -6
You guys make great points. Relationships, setting standards and getting to know the athletes to affectivey coach them. That is all great but when you get those eyes in the middle of a game or at the wrong time of your personality the kid is going to be blasted. I let the kids know early what I will put up with and when I'll put up with it. Alot of times I fix the kid I nuked after practice and let him know what is appropriate and what isn't. When I nuke a kid I do not belittle them I point out what they are doing and that is not acceptable as a man or as a football player. I know they are not men but they are practicing to be men.
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Post by levydisciple on Jul 17, 2008 1:53:20 GMT -6
And how do you effectively deal with the "I'm gonna cry eyes," coach?
And how exactly do you celebrate/reward the "get it done" kinda guys?
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burn
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Post by burn on Jul 17, 2008 12:26:09 GMT -6
Coach,
It all depends on timing but a lot of the work is done off of the field and as others have posted the relationship piece. Many times the extra effort talk after practice or at school. Some kids you can not change the "I'm gonna cry eyes" but they know what is expected of them. These kids get to a point where the seek me out for the after practice talk. But like I said timing can change everything and there are times I tell them to sit out or go to the sidelines until they can man up and contribute to their teammates and other times I just tell them quit being a baby and play the game. Its not perfect.
We celebrate the other kids by using them as an example from practice, games or even in the weight room. We talk about them and we reward the "get it done kids" with hats after games and with our iron man award. The biggest thing with these kids is the recognition they get from the coaches at an after practice talk and recognition during film time. It works for us.
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max51
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Post by max51 on Jul 17, 2008 20:08:58 GMT -6
#2 - let Johnny know it all do it the way he wanted and we kept running the same play at him over and over and over and over until his head was about to explode or he understood the err of his ways.
We have a kid right now like this, we've been patient, we've tried to work with the kid...he doesn't want to hear it. He cannot accept any criticism no matter what it is. We have been working on this kid (a CB) for about 3 weeks now. Tonight in the 7 on 7 the DB coach was once again trying to work with this kid and he wasn't wanting to hear it. So I stepped up and asked him what the problem was...he gave me the FU eyes and body language, I asked him if he was sure that was the decision he wanted to make...he curled his lip up and tipped his head up and I sent him to the bus. He didn't want to go, but when 30 other players are going to have to run at a 7 on 7 because you're acting like a baby, they tend to be very pursuasive.
We get back to the school, I take his helmet and told him that if he wanted to remain on this team he needed to come back with his parents and all of us were going to have a sit down and talk about this. If you can't listen, you can't play.
He called me on my way home, tried to apologize. I told him "sorry" only makes him feel better (not me), it doesn't solve the problem and "I'm sorry" wasn't going to cover it this time. (besides..do I seem like I'm in the sympathy business?) I told him if he's really interested in making an improvement that he needed to have his mother or father call me and we would all sit down and talk and if he didn't want to do that, then good luck to him, have a nice life.
I just got off the phone with his father, he's coming in to weights tomorrow.
We ain't going to have that BS. I don't put up with that from my own kids, I'll be damned if I put up with it from someone elses.[/quote]
How did the meeting go??
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max51
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Post by max51 on Jul 18, 2008 13:12:15 GMT -6
congrats... nice to have parental support
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