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Post by hustleandheart on Jun 20, 2008 21:14:23 GMT -6
Alright, let me set up a situation that occurred today.
I am watching one of my good friends baseball games. It is essentially to make the playoffs and both teams needed it. My friend is one of the best players on the team, fast kid, all state center fielder, hits the ball a mile. His dad is an assistant coach and they are neutral friends with the head coach. No problems, just on good terms. Well the following ensued.
Bottom of the 7th inning, 2 Outs and his teammate makes an error at short stop... the inning continues and 5 runs come in off the error. So now the score is 6-1 (1-1 previously before error).
They get out of the inning, now it is top of the 8th and my friends team is batting. The first 2 kids who are up strike out, now my friend is up. He hits a deep ball, but straight to the center fielder, who doesn't have to move to catch it. My friend just barely jogs to first, and rounds it as the ball is caught. The head coach and first base coach (same person at the time) makes a comment, coach says "hustle, he could have dropped the ball." My friend SNAPS back "WHY THE F&$# DOES IT MATTER, WE ARE DOWN 5 RUNS."
I was taken back by this, my friends been a competitor all his life, but he has always shown class. That's either here nor there, as hopefully a future coach, I wondered what I'd do if I was head coach. The star player snaps back at me and his dad is an assistant coach. The coach in the current situation didn't say a word and let him walk away.
I like to put myself in situations and I think the head coach is completely wrong by this. You have to treat everyone the same, regardless of talent, you can't make exceptions. But I can see how this is a delicate situation and he doesn't want to get into a yelling match with a 20 year old on the field.
What would you do if this was on the football field, someone quit on a play, and he is the star player and his dads the O or D Coordinator?
(Don't pull any punches, my friend isn't a punk, he just lost his cool this one time, but I want to hear your honest opinion)
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Post by superpower on Jun 21, 2008 7:02:35 GMT -6
Coach him up. Pull him out, explain why his behavior is a problem, and put him back on the field.
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Post by mwpilots on Jun 21, 2008 8:32:16 GMT -6
I would have snatched him out. We can lose with him or without, but we will show class and we will hustle.If the guy drops it and he is hustling he could have gotten into scoring position and they could have had a rally like the one that got them down off of an error.I seem to remember Albert Belle(Indians) being sent down to the minors for something like this.
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Post by dcoach84 on Jun 21, 2008 9:17:01 GMT -6
Pull him out. Talk to him. If he does not understand what he did wrong (and continues this behavior), keep him out. Otherwise, put him back in. We will win or lose with class and hustle. May need to have a talk with the dad as well.
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Post by mitch on Jun 21, 2008 9:23:02 GMT -6
Tell him to put his street clothes on and get out. He's 20 years old for pete's sake, not 13. If he wanted to come back out, he'd have some major apologizing to do to the team and coaching staff and probably have to sit for a few games, even if it is the playoffs.
If I was his dad, you'd have had to pull me off him.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 21, 2008 9:35:33 GMT -6
hustle...IF his dad saw/heard this (I mean, you as a fan saw and heard it) and he didn't rip the kid a new one, ...well, i would question the integrity of the dad. Heck, he should have been the one ripping him for not hustling.
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 21, 2008 12:47:04 GMT -6
13 or 20, he crossed a big line. Got to pull him, talk to him, and let him know that HE needs to do the right thing - privately with the coach and then publicly with the team - and then move on with no grudges. Everybody makes mistakes. I had the privilege of coaching my son on several teams from pop warner to HS varsity - we never had a situation like that but he did know, and accepted, that there were times that I was going to be "harder" on him that he may have deserved, just to prevent anyone from thinking he was going to have it easy. I can remember a few times as we drove home from practice when I told him, "That last one was for the team..." and he would nod, saying "I know dad."
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Post by joboo59 on Jun 22, 2008 13:34:43 GMT -6
As a coach, the last thing you want to do is add fuel to a fire. The player already ignite a huge flame with his comments, if the coach had fired back it likely would have become a power struggle. Sounds like the coach played it right, be cool! Sit the player until his emotions are in check (a good time to talk to the player about his actions). Hopefully he talked to this player one-on-one later and explained how HE was wrong. The player should have made an apology to the coach and team. Then move on to a brighter tomorrow.
Dad must support the HC at this time. If he is on staff as a coach, that is what he is even if his son is on the team. After the game, it is fair game. I know if this was my son and he had dropped the F-bomb, his butt would be getting a chewing (I don't care that he is 20).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2008 14:09:52 GMT -6
I dont think it means anything, he could've just been tired or frustrated etc...
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Post by wingman on Jul 3, 2008 14:43:19 GMT -6
His a** would be gone. No discipline, bad example for others, disrespectful to coach etc etc.
You're alos not doing him any favors bu letting him get away with it. Lastly, I really doubt that was out of character. For everyone I've ever seen do something like that in 30 years of coaching it was part of a pattern.
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Post by airraider on Jul 4, 2008 0:53:34 GMT -6
AMAZING.. had this exact thing happen today..
one of my star receiver'd dad is one of my defensive coaches..
We run a comeback.. and the QB didnt put enough arm into the ball.. the receiver might not have made the best effort to comeback to the ball.. maybe he did.. but.. whatever..
So I say.. you have to come back to the ball more.. and he snaps back.. "I did".. I dove for it.. So I continued.. well.. you need to make a better effort to come back to it while its in the air.. once again.. "Man I came back for it".. so I tell him to give me 50 pushups.. he says hes not doing them because he did come back to the ball..
So I tell him basically to carry his butt.. dad right there.. his dad says something to the extent.. of "I cant believe this.. you are just going to walk away?'
So he leaves.. after practice the dad keeps telling me he is sorry.. this and that.. and I tell him.. look.. Im not going to except that from you.. you have nothing to be sorry about.. HERE you are a coach.. none of my other coaches should feel sorry for the way this player acted..
He completely backed me up.. and made it a point to reinforce my thoughts to the team after practice.. that pretty much.. no matter whether I am right or wrong.. when it comes to what the coach says.. I am right..
We will see where this goes.. but as of now.. he is off the team.
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Post by superpower on Jul 4, 2008 4:19:13 GMT -6
AMAZING.. had this exact thing happen today.. one of my star receiver'd dad is one of my defensive coaches.. We run a comeback.. and the QB didnt put enough arm into the ball.. the receiver might not have made the best effort to comeback to the ball.. maybe he did.. but.. whatever.. So I say.. you have to come back to the ball more.. and he snaps back.. "I did".. I dove for it.. So I continued.. well.. you need to make a better effort to come back to it while its in the air.. once again.. "Man I came back for it".. so I tell him to give me 50 pushups.. he says hes not doing them because he did come back to the ball.. So I tell him basically to carry his butt.. dad right there.. his dad says something to the extent.. of "I cant believe this.. you are just going to walk away?' So he leaves.. after practice the dad keeps telling me he is sorry.. this and that.. and I tell him.. look.. Im not going to except that from you.. you have nothing to be sorry about.. HERE you are a coach.. none of my other coaches should feel sorry for the way this player acted.. He completely backed me up.. and made it a point to reinforce my thoughts to the team after practice.. that pretty much.. no matter whether I am right or wrong.. when it comes to what the coach says.. I am right.. We will see where this goes.. but as of now.. he is off the team. Your assistant coach is awesome, and the rest of the team undoubtedly learned a valuable lesson in what kind of effort is expected on your team. Great stuff. |
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Post by justryn2 on Jul 4, 2008 12:13:59 GMT -6
To me, there are at least two things more important than talent when it comes to determining who gets to play; desire and trustworthiness. In fact, I think trustworthiness is probably the most important. If I cannot trust a player, I don't want him on my team or even around the other players. Now the funny thing about trust is, you can spend years building it and tear it all down in just seconds.
A player who gives up because the team is behind late in the game cannot be trusted. If he compounds that mistake by being resistant to coaching, he is gone. His dad should understand this. If he doesn't then he is not the kind of guy I would want as an assistant coach.
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