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Post by airraider on Jun 15, 2008 9:38:55 GMT -6
I was just reading this article and found it interesting that West Monroe here in Louisiana spends around $300,000 a year on football. When compared to the situation that I just walked in, where I had a deficite of $11,000.. it makes me wonder just how much finances play a part. I know when given a choice the athletes would rather go and play in nice stadiums that are right outside the school instead of taking a 10 minute bus ride even for home games. Millions of dollars pour into high school football By Steve Wieberg, USA TODAY Football teams in two Texas high school districts, Denton and Round Rock, are settling into gleaming new stadiums that cost more than $20 million — apiece. Millions of dollars pour into high school football |
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Post by Yash on Jun 15, 2008 11:47:02 GMT -6
Money plays a huge role in football. If you have the money to buy the nicer block sleds, more agiles so that coaches aren't fighting over equipment for drills you can have better results. Now you can work around it, you can make your own stuff and what not but those who have a drastically greater amount of disposable income have an advantage before cleats ever touch the grass. Its not a guaranteed win or anything but its an advantage.
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Post by trojan on Jun 15, 2008 12:02:42 GMT -6
Our weightroom is outdated, absurdly crowded. One of the neighboring high schools has a weightroom that a friend says is "like a college." I'm sure that their facilities weren't the only reason that they won the D2 state championship, but they help.  |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 15, 2008 12:15:36 GMT -6
While I think funding is a GREAT boost to a program, I think much of the success you see from well funded programs becomes a "chicken/egg" argument. You see success because of the parental involvement/community support...which leads success..which leads to suuport...which leads to success..
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Post by airraider on Jun 15, 2008 13:53:43 GMT -6
While I think funding is a GREAT boost to a program, I think much of the success you see from well funded programs becomes a "chicken/egg" argument. You see success because of the parental involvement/community support...which leads success..which leads to suuport...which leads to success.. I agree 100%.. kind of like our society as a whole.. those who are poor are destined to stay that way unless someone/something creates an avenue for the cycle to change. |
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Post by carson101 on Jun 15, 2008 15:09:24 GMT -6
My question to that is, If money plays a big role in having great equipment,stadiums,uniforms,well paid travel and coaches at the high school level & how many kids in those programs are getting good scholarship offers and is the money helping further the students grades and exposure?
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Post by fbdoc on Jun 15, 2008 15:55:56 GMT -6
My opinion is that money plays a huge part either helping to pay for a good coach (and staff) or attracting a good coach and staff because of the nice facilities. Yes, hard work is part of the equation but bucks do make a difference.
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Post by poweriguy on Jun 15, 2008 18:27:05 GMT -6
The big difference I saw, was that the schools that beat us, most of their kids attended summer camps. Most went to the Fresno State camp, some to ones in the Bay Area, and the team we lost to in the finals, the whole team attended the Boise State camp.
They got coaching on alot of the finer points , from college coaches, that really stood out on game day and film study. They tended to have better technique and it didn't break down like alot of the teams we beat. Every kid did their job well, not as many "weak links" or guys you could pick on or go after.
Also the coaches attend lots of clinics. Where we were at, only 3 of the varsity staff went to clinics and the rest of us stayed home.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 15, 2008 19:54:47 GMT -6
powerI--I am going to have to say that going to those camps had much to do with those guys beating you. Those are generally just meatmarket camps, and the instruction isn't often given by college coaches, but by whoever the camp is being worked by.
The fact that those teams attended those camps signals that football is important to the program. When football is important, the coaching is generally better..the work ethic is better..etc.
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Post by poweriguy on Jun 15, 2008 23:51:24 GMT -6
powerI--I am going to have to say that going to those camps had much to do with those guys beating you. Those are generally just meatmarket camps, and the instruction isn't often given by college coaches, but by whoever the camp is being worked by. The fact that those teams attended those camps signals that football is important to the program. When football is important, the coaching is generally better..the work ethic is better..etc. Yeah pretty much. I'm not to familiar with what goes on at summer football camps, as where it was NEVER a viable option for our program. In the 3 years I was there, I believe 2 kids went to a camp. Now when we face a team that can go from Central California to the Boise State camp for a week, that is a big difference between the two programs. It's not that we didn't work our arses off, it's just we didn't have those kind of resources to even think about doing what other schools are doing. We didn't have any 7 on7 tourney's, no camps, dead grass fields and one blocking sled. Now if we had any kind of resources, we as a staff could have done MUCH more. I believe that with a few more resources, such as a working VCR, some film editing software, field equipment, and other stuff that coaches , even here on this board take for granted, it might have pushed us from runner-up to champion. So those camps are NOT run by college coaches?? I've sent kids to college run baseball camps, and they have gotten instruction from college coaches. So football is different? And who is doing the teaching at the football camps? Joe Shmoe? I'm confused here. |
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Post by goldenbear76 on Jun 16, 2008 1:30:55 GMT -6
Some camps are 'meat' market camps. There is a TON of great team/indy camps around. Personally, I like the small college camps the best. We always go to either Linfield College or Western Oregon team camps in the summer and just love it. In California..UC Davis use to run a great Team camp..probably can get a reasonable price out of it too. I would say, pick a camp...find out how much its going to cost you per kid and go do some fund raising. Have you and your kids go paint some houses, wash some cars, sell some candy..you can get it done. I'm not at a wealthy school..we usually ask the kids to fork over $230 bucks or so for our Western Oregon camp. I'd say roughly 1/2 the kids have no problem getting the cash, the other half..we have paint houses on the weekend to earn the money. Its worked great.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2008 9:20:50 GMT -6
In Omaha proper it is nearly an open enrollment situation so the teams with the better facilites naturally draw better players. Ity is a distinct advantage and Omaha Centrals State title in 2007 was a testament partly to this.
At the youth level you have quite a bit of the same, teams that arrive by bus, have 2-3 different uniforms (we use our practice pants as game pants and have had same jerseys for 9 years), play in big stadiums with field turf and even have access to indoor field turf practice facilites have a huge advantage both recruiting wise and logistically over teams like us who arent even allowed to practice on the threadbare grass High School field (we practice just behind it on a patch of grass about 40yards by 25 yards. Many weeks if it is real wet our kids cant even practice. It isnt meant to be an excuse, we just have to be that much better and work that much harder to compete. Of course we dont have sleds, game film ( my own team yes our others no) etc etc
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Post by wingnit on Jun 16, 2008 11:54:31 GMT -6
I coach in a rural farming area with money. The money has always been there, but has never really been put to use. We are fortunate to have had a lot of success over the past few years. This is a 50 year old school and the past 7 years are responible for almost 1/2 of it's total victories. What we noticed is that with the success, more people were willing to share their money. They also felt more comfortable with giving because plans were always given for the money, i.e. field house, weightroom, stadium improvements, etc. By having the kids become and stay involved with the raising of the money and the up keep of the facilities, they have a sense of pride about football and their community. However, we do have to continue to keep the kids involved with taking ownership of their program. Many of the underclassmen (and coaches) have simply walked into a great situation and can become content. Once that happens, things can unravel quickly. In our case, money has given the impression to the kids that the community loves football and is proud of what they've accomplished. Now all we've got to do is keep winning  The community is rarely a realist and the more they give, the more they expect. It's like the old saying, "mo money, mo problems." However, at this point in time, I'll take the problems with the money. |
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The community is rarely a realist and the more they give, the more they expect. It's like the old saying, "mo money, mo problems." However, at this point in time, I'll take the problems with the money.