htownoc
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Jun 3, 2008 11:40:17 GMT -6
Post by htownoc on Jun 3, 2008 11:40:17 GMT -6
I just read another thread and it hit close to home. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but I think AAU basketball/baseball is the worst thing that has ever happened to high school football.
Anyone else have any thoughts on the subject?
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Jun 3, 2008 11:57:18 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2008 11:57:18 GMT -6
ht--just to be the devils advocate though...why is summer supposed to be for "football" training.
NOw, I think Lousy adults who use AAU basketball to further their own causes... or uneducated adults who think they are doing what's "best" for the kid....THOSE are the worst things that have happened to sports period
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Jun 3, 2008 12:06:57 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Jun 3, 2008 12:06:57 GMT -6
ht--just to be the devils advocate though...why is summer supposed to be for "football" training. NOw, I think Lousy adults who use AAU basketball to further their own causes... or uneducated adults who think they are doing what's "best" for the kid....THOSE are the worst things that have happened to sports period I personally just believe that being that summer leads directly into football.. its the best and only time to get ready for the season.. just as we give our baseball players up after Jan to get ready for baseball.. The thing I cant stand is all of these kids who will miss school on Friday to travel 100's of miles away to practice 4 times that day to get ready for a weekend tournament, only to return LATE Sunday night.. That is not good for the kid's best interest.
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Jun 3, 2008 12:17:48 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2008 12:17:48 GMT -6
[ I personally just believe that being that summer leads directly into football.. its the best and only time to get ready for the season.. That is the point of view I was kind of talking about. Years ago, football was august-Nov/dec Basketball was Oct/Nov- Feb/March..and Baseball was Feb-May.... No real offseason workouts were ever done. So, based on that, as the concept of offseason training started to catch on, the summer was the natural lead up to football, because "it was next" Now, all sports are year round...We as a sports society have let the genie out of the bottle. With year round emphasis...does the "next sport in line" really matter?
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Jun 3, 2008 12:20:52 GMT -6
Post by morris on Jun 3, 2008 12:20:52 GMT -6
I think one of the factors about AAU that gets people is that it is not a school sport. It is one thing for our guys to go workout with the school baseball, basketball or whatever it is ok. Even if we do have an issue at least it is our school's team. You can work around other school sports.
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Jun 3, 2008 12:31:13 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2008 12:31:13 GMT -6
I think one of the factors about AAU that gets people is that it is not a school sport. It is one thing for our guys to go workout with the school baseball, basketball or whatever it is ok. Even if we do have an issue at least it is our school's team. You can work around other school sports. Excellent point. That combined with the less than stellar reputation of AAU, and the individualistic nature of some AAU basketball clubs, as well as differing goals (read: "scholarships") between the AAU basketball and high school sports....
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jlt
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Jun 3, 2008 12:33:06 GMT -6
Post by jlt on Jun 3, 2008 12:33:06 GMT -6
For us non us natives can you explain what AAU is please.
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Jun 3, 2008 14:49:39 GMT -6
Post by briangilbert on Jun 3, 2008 14:49:39 GMT -6
;DWhat I don't like about AAU is that parents are so misinformed as a whole as to how hard it is for Little Johnny to get a Basketball or Baseball scholorship. And these coaches tell the parents whatever they want to hear so he will play for there team.
Fact is for most Division 1 talents you are going to play division 1 regardless if you play AAU baseball or basketball.
The worst thing about baseball is even if you get offered it's usually a 1/2 or 1/4 scholly unless you are a stud pitcher.
Fact is there are more football offers available and more money in football then baseball or basketball. It's also hilarious when you have a 6'4 215 white kid at your school (this isn't a race thing just happen to have a lot of kids like this where I'm at) who averages 15 and 10 playing Power Forward at the varsity basketball level and thinks he's going to play PF at Ohio State or Duke.
Meanwhile if he wanted to and put on about 30 more lbs he could go be a division 1 TE. Kids like that end up going on to play Division 3 basketball but they don't give up their HOOP DREAMS because of their AAU basketball experience.
I'd love to know how many of you have kids who are playing the 3,4, or 5 positions in basketball at your school but are only 6-2 to 6-6. And they think they are going to be big enough or good enough to play at the next level even though they have no ball handling skills.
It's also wrong for AAU to exist in states without spring ball.
END OF RANT
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Jun 3, 2008 16:46:30 GMT -6
Post by poweriguy on Jun 3, 2008 16:46:30 GMT -6
Baseball has always been played during the summer. Little league though MLB. It's a summer game.
As football coaches, we're fighting years of tradition. I played baseball. And it never conflicted with summer football. But also when I played, summer football wasn't as a big deal as it is now. Most football coaches in our area were also baseball coaches, so we didn't see the big conflicts between sports as we see today.
One other question. In the past most coaches coached multiple sports. Now you see one coach for every sport. What changed?
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Jun 3, 2008 18:38:00 GMT -6
Post by morris on Jun 3, 2008 18:38:00 GMT -6
Its not an issue with kids playing summer sports or even working out during the summer. Most of those guys are willing to work with you. AAU tends to attract some "different" type of coach. We work with the other coaches. We have little to no luck with AAU coaches.
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Jun 3, 2008 19:59:35 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 3, 2008 19:59:35 GMT -6
different...great word morris. Individualistic, or misguided might be better though..LOL
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Jun 3, 2008 21:00:09 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Jun 3, 2008 21:00:09 GMT -6
Unfortunately, this seems to be the trend...June is a rough month for us in terms of football. With basketball summer league and American Legion ball taking up about 4 nights a week, there isn't much time for football.
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Jun 3, 2008 23:11:08 GMT -6
Post by airraider on Jun 3, 2008 23:11:08 GMT -6
I was in high school 10 or 11 years ago.. and our summer really didnt start until heat acclimation drills in mid august or so.. Of course.. we werent very good..
Right now.. our 7 on 7 is crucial to our season because we are a passing team.. and we are still in the learning process..
But.. some of these non-skill guys who may be out playing this or playing that.. I am just glad they are not holed up in their house doing nothing..
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Jun 3, 2008 23:38:13 GMT -6
Post by towtheline on Jun 3, 2008 23:38:13 GMT -6
AAU tends to attract some "different" type of coach. haha I'm glad I'm not the only person who has noticed that most AAU coaches tend to forget that people don't care about an amateur youth basketball "program"
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Jun 4, 2008 5:26:07 GMT -6
Post by morris on Jun 4, 2008 5:26:07 GMT -6
I am sure there are some good AAU coaches in terms of doing things the right way. It does not help that there is a number of them that see it as a meal ticket or some type of path to glory. Kids look at it as a college try out. With basketball the way it is now unless you are getting calls to the Adidas/Nike camps more than likely you are very low on the radar. I do not blame a kid for loving a sport and wanting to play it. I do have an issue with the BS they are given by others involved. We fight this issue with kids as young as grade school age.
When you think about I think most of us are more than likely honest with our players in that they will not play past HS. If they want to play past HS you can find a place. It might be out in the middle of BFE or be DIV 300 but you can be on a team.
It seems that a number of sports now have gone the way of AAU or club type sports. Kids do not take the pride in playing for their school in other sports as much. That is one thing I believe we still have in football in that there is a pride in playing in a program or school. This of course might be due to the fact there is no AAU football but we represent a community. I would say it is some what of a Southern thing but I do not think that is true.
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htownoc
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Jun 4, 2008 8:32:38 GMT -6
Post by htownoc on Jun 4, 2008 8:32:38 GMT -6
I agree with briangilbert. At my HS we've seen many mediocre basketball players fall short of their D1 scholarship goals- who would have had a much better chance of making it in football. 6'4" in basketball is a dime a dozen. 6'4" in football gets noticed.
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Jun 4, 2008 9:07:52 GMT -6
Post by davecisar on Jun 4, 2008 9:07:52 GMT -6
;DWhat I don't like about AAU is that parents are so misinformed as a whole as to how hard it is for Little Johnny to get a Basketball or Baseball scholorship. And these coaches tell the parents whatever they want to hear so he will play for there team. Fact is for most Division 1 talents you are going to play division 1 regardless if you play AAU baseball or basketball. The worst thing about baseball is even if you get offered it's usually a 1/2 or 1/4 scholly unless you are a stud pitcher. Fact is there are more football offers available and more money in football then baseball or basketball. It's also hilarious when you have a 6'4 215 white kid at your school (this isn't a race thing just happen to have a lot of kids like this where I'm at) who averages 15 and 10 playing Power Forward at the varsity basketball level and thinks he's going to play PF at Ohio State or Duke. Meanwhile if he wanted to and put on about 30 more lbs he could go be a division 1 TE. Kids like that end up going on to play Division 3 basketball but they don't give up their HOOP DREAMS because of their AAU basketball experience. I'd love to know how many of you have kids who are playing the 3,4, or 5 positions in basketball at your school but are only 6-2 to 6-6. And they think they are going to be big enough or good enough to play at the next level even though they have no ball handling skills. It's also wrong for AAU to exist in states without spring ball. END OF RANT Excellent Post Around here all the best DI kids at the following sports play club ball and seem to get a ton out of it: Girls Volleyball ( We are in Nebraska, where GVB is huge, NU's head coach's daughter plays club ball and he endorses it) Girls Basketball Girls Softball Gymnastics (Boys and Girls) Wrestling Legion Summer Baseball ( Here they are not tied to schools) Swimming Tennis Many of the parents feel they get better quality instruction and competition ( out of state tournaments) by going this route. This all came about at a recent NHSAA meeting. Im no HS coach, but at the youth level we encourage our kids to try all the sports, even the less popular ones like hockey, lacrosse etc ( everything but soccer and specialize in none.
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Jun 4, 2008 13:45:17 GMT -6
Post by groundchuck on Jun 4, 2008 13:45:17 GMT -6
Everything in moderation. I have no problem with kids playing but its when the coaches of those non-school teams start thinking that thier "program" is more important than the school program that bugs me. Also when they start telling kids to specialize. High school kids should not specialize.
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Jun 4, 2008 20:03:39 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2008 20:03:39 GMT -6
Excellent Post Around here all the best DI kids at the following sports play club ball and seem to get a ton out of it: Girls Volleyball ( We are in Nebraska, where GVB is huge, NU's head coach's daughter plays club ball and he endorses it) Girls Basketball Girls Softball Gymnastics (Boys and Girls) Wrestling Legion Summer Baseball ( Here they are not tied to schools) Swimming Tennis Many of the parents feel they get better quality instruction and competition ( out of state tournaments) by going this route. This all came about at a recent NHSAA meeting. Im no HS coach, but at the youth level we encourage our kids to try all the sports, even the less popular ones like hockey, lacrosse etc ( everything but soccer and specialize in none. Very true. One thing The obvious thing that stands out in your list is the preponderance of GIRLS sports. I believe this is due to the different levels of "interest" and ability in girls sports. I have seen these differences appear in H.S sports in the form of a very concentrated talent pool, "recruiting" and very little variance between champions in these sports.
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Jun 4, 2008 20:12:00 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2008 20:12:00 GMT -6
I do have an issue with the BS they are given by others involved. We fight this issue with kids as young as grade school age. When you think about I think most of us are more than likely honest with our players in that they will not play past HS. I think this is a key point. Kids and Parents like to hear "good news" They want to hear that their kid is a "sure fire" can't miss prospect. Who wouldn't. The problem is that once that kid "misses" oh well, I have a new crop of "sure fire/can't miss prospects whose parents are loving what I am telling them. And... the kid that did miss? Well, I have the luxury of telling the CURRENT sure fire can't miss prospects all sorts of lovely bad things about them. It wasn't my fault, it was the KIDS fault. So mom and dad..take a hike. However, as a HS coach..I don't have this luxury. Mom and dad enjoy the fact that they get to complain to AD, principals, school boards... whoever will listen. And of course, It CAN'T POSSIBLY be the kids fault...must be MY fault. Exactly, but parents don't want that. Quick story here. Had the parents of one of the athletes at the last H.S. worked with tell their position coach, "Well, we know the kid isn't really good enough to play for LSU, but we were thinking you guys could get him a scholarship to a school like Arizona ... " This is how unrealistic people are. Good point. I don't know if it as much "pride" as it is that AAU seems to be "more elite" due to the select nature of the top levels, and the travel involved.
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Jun 4, 2008 20:14:56 GMT -6
Post by tog on Jun 4, 2008 20:14:56 GMT -6
aau is the devil
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htownoc
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Jun 5, 2008 9:18:13 GMT -6
Post by htownoc on Jun 5, 2008 9:18:13 GMT -6
Parents need to be informed that scholarships are not kept in a drawer and that HS coaches can not give them to any kid- no matter how much his parents think he deserves it.
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Jun 5, 2008 11:35:08 GMT -6
Post by coachd5085 on Jun 5, 2008 11:35:08 GMT -6
htown...and that is EXACTLY where the AAU coaches that people dislike "go wrong". They pump the scholarship, and THEY do "everything " that can be done to get a scholarship...so if the kid doesn't get one..it has to be the HS. coaches fault.
Kind of like the faith healer...who blames the lack of a miracle on having a "non believer" in the audience.
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Jun 5, 2008 12:15:12 GMT -6
Post by phantom on Jun 5, 2008 12:15:12 GMT -6
The problem is that the AAU people have "evidence". Virtually every one of the top players in the country is an AAU grad so they can point how many AAUers have received scholarships and they can take credit for making Lebron a great player. So families drive hundreds of miles on weekends or kids change HSs to be closer to the right AAU team, the one whose coach is "connected". Parents pony up big bucks and fund-raise constantly (it seems that you can't walk into a Wal Mart without giving a buck to a bunch of nine-year-olds who want to play in a tournament in Fiji). Meantime Johnny, Mom, and Dad are constantly being stroked and the kid learns to play selfish, "showtime" basketball.
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Jun 5, 2008 17:03:26 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jun 5, 2008 17:03:26 GMT -6
I believe we are run our kids into the ground. when I say our I mean every one. youth sports, aau, summer leagues, 7 on 7 , summer weight training/conditioning and practice all that stuff which we think we need.
It is stressing our kids out. I personally would like to see it all go. that includes summer football outside of preseason football camp.
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Jun 5, 2008 17:08:47 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jun 5, 2008 17:08:47 GMT -6
The problem is that the AAU people have "evidence". Virtually every one of the top players in the country is an AAU grad so they can point how many AAUers have received scholarships and they can take credit for making Lebron a great player. So families drive hundreds of miles on weekends or kids change HSs to be closer to the right AAU team, the one whose coach is "connected". Parents pony up big bucks and fund-raise constantly (it seems that you can't walk into a Wal Mart without giving a buck to a bunch of nine-year-olds who want to play in a tournament in Fiji). Meantime Johnny, Mom, and Dad are constantly being stroked and the kid learns to play selfish, "showtime" basketball. I think it also is a sign of what is now called trophy kids. parents can show off their trophy kids to the friends next door. it is a sign of keeping up with the jones. my kid is better then your kid. not that I watch this but my sister does. IT is house wives of ny or orange county. it is all about competition. woman and their one up the friend with the latest botox treatment to give them back their 18 year old look. Americans have the opession of trying to be better then the perosn next door. it is sad actually. nothing that a steep down turn in the economy will not fix. a greater depression would solve all these social ills which attack our society. solve a lot of school issues as well.
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Jun 5, 2008 17:20:58 GMT -6
Post by spreadattack on Jun 5, 2008 17:20:58 GMT -6
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Jun 5, 2008 17:55:35 GMT -6
Post by airman on Jun 5, 2008 17:55:35 GMT -6
simple, since out economy is fueled by petro., you will see much of this traveling youth sports and aau come to an end because the people will not be able to afford it. If the global warming bill passes the us congress and senate, it will add a $1.50 to the cost of fuel to start with and incease by another $3.50 cents over the next 5 years. so petro being almost 4 dollars a gallon in my neck of the woods would go to $5.50 and that is if fuel never went up a drop. 5 years from now fuel will be so expensive that people will not be able to do all this traveling for youth sports/aau. most schools will be lucky if they have more than a handful of sports because of transportation costs. you will see more local sports rivals with the team down the street becasue of thsi increase in costs. Heck, with the increasing costs of health insurance and pension payout for early retirement(which is all but going to be gone for teachers.) school might not even be able to afford sports period.
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