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Post by backercoach on May 27, 2008 6:33:44 GMT -6
I just got done reading Meat Market and kind of feel that Ed Orgeron got a raw deal, having brought Jevan Snead in and other quality recruiting classes and not being able to see them out.
How long do think a coach should be given to see out his recruits and get a program going?
3 years, 5 years
I understand that it was already going and the person who really got the raw deal was Coach Cutcliff, but just wondering what you guys feel about a rebuilding process and getting your systems in.
What do you think the right target time is to give a coach?
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2008 9:33:37 GMT -6
Good question, but I do not think there is any "set" number. Ed O's shortcomings are widely known in certain levels of the coaching community. That leads to a very short leash...
As far as the "target" time question, I dont think there will ever be a good standard answers. Much of it involves the University Pres/boosters/community having an understanding of where their program sits compared to others. That was another reason for the quick hook at Mississippi. The community thinks the program is a top tier national program, when reality is that Ole Miss is nothing more than a middle of the road regional competitor in a tough league
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Post by darebelcoach on May 27, 2008 12:49:43 GMT -6
Good post topic....first off, I received Meat market as a Christmas present this past Xmas....a great book, I thought. I read through it in a bout 3 days becuase I didn't want to put it down. A good look into the recruiting process and behind the scenes of the college football life. Some good stuff about Urban Meyer and what some recruits thought of him and his recruiting style at UF.
Anyway, on to the question...I have to agree with a lot of what coachd says....A LOT depends on pressure from the Boosters (money/donations), and the local media. What people (boosters,fans, university personel, media) feel is proper in regards to timetable for wins and losses isn't always correct but in a lot of situations, their perceptions are what influence the timetable a coach has to turn a program around. Ole Miss isn't a title contender in the SEC, let alone for a Natl championship, but yet, that is the standard the ED O. was held to. But like CoachD also said, Ed O had some other demons in the closet that might have been in the back of peoples minds as well. By the way, isn't Ed O. coaching in the NFL somewhere as a positon coach now?
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2008 14:04:41 GMT -6
Ed is coaching for his hometown New Orleans Saints...
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Post by backercoach on May 27, 2008 16:38:55 GMT -6
What happened to Dan Werner, Art Kehoe and that Frank Wilson guy who was a HC in Louisianna high school and recruited all the La kids? That book took me 3 days as well!!
I think coaches should get a 5 year contract that assures them if they stay out of trouble with the law, school, and NCAA, they will be able to see there plan out.
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Post by phantom on May 27, 2008 17:09:41 GMT -6
I just got done reading Meat Market and kind of feel that Ed Orgeron got a raw deal, having brought Jevan Snead in and other quality recruiting classes and not being able to see them out. How long do think a coach should be given to see out his recruits and get a program going? 3 years, 5 years I understand that it was already going and the person who really got the raw deal was Coach Cutcliff, but just wondering what you guys feel about a rebuilding process and getting your systems in. What do you think the right target time is to give a coach? Unless there are off field issues and/or misbehavior a coach should be able to play with a full team that has played in his program. A coach in 1A-D.2 should, IMO get six years-five years to fill his roster then another in case the seniors were tainted by poor attitudes by players from the old program. HS and D.3 programs (because they can't redshirt) should get five. Anything else is unfair. I'm talking about what should be, not what is. In Frank Beamer's seventh year at Virginia Tech they had a poor season and many wanted and expected him to be let go. They stayed with him. The next year they went to a bowl and haven't missed one since.
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