jlt
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Post by jlt on May 26, 2008 11:19:40 GMT -6
What happens to these players? Obviously they are of a good enough standard to be in the NFL? But tey are commited to the Army?
Another foeigner question I know.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2008 11:40:05 GMT -6
jlt--Most players who play for Army (or any of the other service academies) are FAR from NFL talents. The regimented lifestyle combined with future service commitment usually sees to that. However, occasionally some to blossom and become NFL caliber players. Prior to this year, they would serve their military commitments and then try their shot at the NFL. Even Captain America, the great Roger Staubauch (Navy) had to serve a 4 year commitment prior to entering the NFL.
A a policy however is allowing prominent athletes to serve two years as a recruiter on active duty while playing professional sports, and then another 6 on reserve duty is starting to be more readily utilized, so we will see what happens from here.
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Post by jlt on May 26, 2008 11:50:45 GMT -6
whats an active recruiter?
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Post by Coach Huey on May 26, 2008 13:01:08 GMT -6
whats an active recruiter? www.goarmy.com/JobDetail.do?id=285There's a lot to learn about joining the Army services, and the Recruiter Noncommissioned Officer is the person responsible for knowing it all, and knowing how to communicate it to eligible recruits. Primarily, the Recruiter Noncommissioned Officer provides information about Army careers to young people, parents, schools and local communities, and recruits qualified personnel for entry into the Army. Some of the duties that the Recruiter Noncommissioned Officer may perform are: * Interviewing civilians who are interested in Army programs and options * Distributing and displaying recruiting publicity material * Identifying and cultivating community centers of influence * Describing Army careers to groups of high school students * Explaining the purpose of the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) and test results to students and counselors * Participating in local job fairs and career day programs * Talking about the Army to community groups * Counseling Army personnel about career opportunities and benefits Advanced level Recruiter Noncommissioned Officers offer technical guidance to other Soldiers within the same discipline. The Recruiter Noncommissioned Officer may be involved in: * Conducting professional development programs * Maintaining administration records * Preparing plans and training schedules * Maintaining statistics on recruiting programs * Maintaining enlistment publications and administrative files
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Post by burtledog on May 27, 2008 13:56:09 GMT -6
I think this ties to the Dungy story. The academies look more for all around young me...most big universtities were more so 40 + years ago. Now, even coaches are oft times tempted to think of their kids best being how far up the football food chain they can go when they are often best just playing through SR year and going to work or school. All but a small handful of guys in the academies ( I am a Citadel grad who served with a lot of West Pointers including a few who were jocks for a year or two), they go to the school primarily to get an education and a commission...some have made a lifelong committment to be warriors period, some say I'll have a great ed and a job and I get to play Notre Dame on TV every year (Navy and Army guys of course have the game). Few if any go to school thinking their future will be in professional sports. Those that do usually fail. Those that become pro jocks do so becuase they have a totally unexpected budding...Chad Henning, David Robinson etc. Greg
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Post by Yash on May 27, 2008 14:19:32 GMT -6
Has anyone ever read the restriction book for the academies? I was thinking about trying to get an appointment at the AF Academy but decided to just enlist after reading everything. Its a 9 year commitment, 4 school, 5 service. You aren't allowed to have a TV until your senior year, you aren't allowed a stereo until your junior year. Your first year on campus you have to run everywhere to class. Reville is at 6 every morning, get up go do PT, Lights out is at 12. Not to mention if you drop out after your sophomore year you owe the military $35,000 for every year you were attending school. The undedicated need not apply because they don't have a use for you. The reason they don't get the star athletes is because the star athletes are thinking about themselves ala OJ Mayo, as a Cadet yourself is the last person you are thinking about. I have the utmost respect for anyone who graduates from the service academies. I'll take a Cadet as a son any day over a mulitimillion dollar athlete.
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Post by burtledog on May 27, 2008 15:11:40 GMT -6
Gee, I paid for a good bit of that out of pocket at the state military college. They atleast do get paid. Greg
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Post by wingman on Jun 9, 2008 14:37:41 GMT -6
and AF is considered the country club by the Army and Navy.
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Post by airman on Jun 9, 2008 16:54:05 GMT -6
and AF is considered the country club by the Army and Navy. The problem with the Air Force is they have too many officers and not enough enlisted. The majority of the things done in the Air force require you to be an officer. Now contrast that with the USMC which has NCOs leading platoons and LTs comanding companies.
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Post by coachkill22 on Jun 14, 2008 4:56:12 GMT -6
I have to disagree with Airman. The AF has many programs for enlisted to become officers. Some of them even let you out and finish school. You can then come back as an officer. You just have to know where to look for these programs.
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Post by adw30 on Jun 14, 2008 11:03:57 GMT -6
I have to also disagree with that assertion. I have no idea where you're getting your information, but the USAF has a very strong enlisted corp and everything doesn't require you to be an officer. I know since I was enlisted in the Air Force for 10 years and I'm now a part of the Air Force Reserve.
The Air Force provides numerous opportunites for NCO's to obtain leadership positions. All the way down from a Chief Master Sergeant to a Senior Airman, there's ample opportunity for advancement and leadership roles.
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Post by wildcat on Jun 14, 2008 13:34:51 GMT -6
Now contrast that with the USMC which has NCOs leading platoons and LTs comanding companies. I would assume that it is not standard Marine Corps TO&E for NCOs to serve as platoon leaders or lieutenants to serve as company commanders. Not saying that it doesn't happen from time to time due to extraordinary circumstances, but it probably isn't normal. As far as your comment about the Air Force having "the majority of things done in the Air Force require you to be an officer", I'm not sure what that means. The US Air Force has about 70,000 officers and about 270,000 enlisted personnal. What are all those enlisted people doing, then?
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Post by wildcat on Jun 14, 2008 13:39:26 GMT -6
and AF is considered the country club by the Army and Navy. When I was stationed at Fort Hood from '97-'99, we had a bunch of Air Force guys down there. The Air Force guys who lived in our barracks got an extra $250 a month because the barracks weren't air-conditioned and didn't have free cable...always thought that was hilarious. The thing about the Army...there was always this sentiment that "if it ain't raining, you ain't training"...basically, that in order to get quality work done, you had to suffer through increasing levels of personal discomfort and misery. I always thought that idea was dumb. The Air Force guys had it right! ;D
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Post by davecisar on Jun 14, 2008 14:40:14 GMT -6
FT Hood, Summer, no air, WOW. Was at Ft Sam in San Antinio, so hot NO PT for 9 weeks one summer, and we had plenty of air.
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Post by Yash on Jun 14, 2008 14:50:13 GMT -6
I was AF and the army guys were always complaining about how we got the nicer stuff. I never complained, and just kept quiet around the army guys. In alaska it had to be below 20 degrees before the army wouldn't do morning PT, in the AF we never had scheduled PT often but when we did, it had to be above 50 or we wouldn't do it.
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Post by wildcat on Jun 14, 2008 15:44:45 GMT -6
I was AF and the army guys were always complaining about how we got the nicer stuff. I never complained, and just kept quiet around the army guys. In alaska it had to be below 20 degrees before the army wouldn't do morning PT, in the AF we never had scheduled PT often but when we did, it had to be above 50 or we wouldn't do it. yash - That's pretty funny...I'm a teacher and teachers b*tch and moan a lot and I married into a family of farmers and farmers b*tch and moan with the best, but neither has ANYTHING on a US Army private when it comes to b*tching and moaning! ;D
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Post by wildcat on Jun 14, 2008 15:51:04 GMT -6
FT Hood, Summer, no air, WOW. Was at Ft Sam in San Antinio, so hot NO PT for 9 weeks one summer, and we had plenty of air. Summers were BRUTAL. We had one 3-week training exercise where it was over 100 degrees every day. I think I sweated about 25 pounds off my butt that month. I had it pretty good...I was married so I lived in post housing (brand-new 2-bedroom, 900-sq.ft. house with a big yard), but the enlisted guys in the barracks, they had it pretty tough. Actually, I think the barracks might have had air, but it was centrally-controlled (couldn't adjust it in the individual rooms) and it always seemed really hot in the summer. We would always train in hot weather. Only time the post got shut down was if it got really cold and the roads were icy because the city of Killeen didn't have any salt trucks or snow-removal equipment.
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Post by Yash on Jun 14, 2008 16:54:10 GMT -6
I was in basic training in San Antonio during june and july. We marched around all day in the hot sun wearing BDU's (long sleeve, long pants) all the time. I got down to 160 something that summer and haven't seen that weight since. The closest I ever got to that weight was when i dropped 10 lbs in a day after eating some bad food in afghanistan.
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