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Post by unc31 on May 18, 2008 21:15:03 GMT -6
I have used lots of methods from just names to directions to even and odd numbers (wing-t). I am looking for a quick, simple and concise method of calling formations.
We will be one back and I and even some empty.
20,21,22 personnel
10,11,12 personnel
32 personnel
02 personnel
0 personnell
Currently we would clall 21 personnel as follows:
Pro Rt, Pro Lt/ Twins Rt, Twins Lt/ Wing Rt, Wing Lt
22 Personnel= Tight Pro Rt/Lt
20 personnel= Loose Twins R/L
32 personnel= Power I R/L
10 personnel= Black ( double twins) or Trips (3X1)
11 personnel= Red/Blue (ie. Wing-t) ( Pro/Twins, Ace or whatever others call it), Trey R/L
12 personnel= White (double pro) and Trey
02= empty with 2 TE's
0= empty with 0 TE's
These are examples. Too wordy for my liking. We will also shift and motion alot with the H-back, Fullback and Z from flanker and slot.
If anyone has an easy way to communicate, I would be grateful for help. Thanks!
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Post by morris on May 19, 2008 5:33:32 GMT -6
It takes a little bit to get use to but the formation system Coverdale uses in his books is very good and flexible. It is placed into parts so positions are just listening for the key word that tells them where to line up.
His motion system in the books is Position/Hole so Z5 would have the Z motion to the 5 hole.
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Post by gschwender on May 19, 2008 6:08:56 GMT -6
The main thing with this is to keep all of your terminology/formations/numbering consistent. Have had a few coaches in the past that are all over the place with things and makes for confusion for the assistant coaches and the kids.
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Post by coach4life on May 19, 2008 9:07:07 GMT -6
We do it by rules as follows:
- Z goes with Y, first call sets the Y & Z, X goes opposite
Right - Y sets off RT, Z standard split
REX - Right EXtended, Y sets in the slot between RT and Z
ROn - Right Outside, Y sets the far split, Z in the slot
Left, LEX, LOu to the left
R - Y sets off the LOS by the RT
L - Y sets off the LOS by the LT
- H sets in one of 7 spots
Slot - set between the X and T away from the call side
Wing - set off the T away from the call side
Far - in the BF, B gap away from Y
Dot - Dot the I, classic I FB alignment
Near - In the BF, B gap to Y side
Train - off the TE
Double - Double Flankers, in the slot to the Z side
Some calls:
- Right Dot (classic I formation, Y and Z to the right)
- Rex Dot (I backfield, Y is the wideout Z is between Y and RT)
- Left Slot (Y and Z to the left, X to the right, H slots between X and RT)
- Right Double (Y and Z to the right, X to the left, H in the slot to the Z side)
Using 2 words we can first set the X-Y-Z, the second word sets the H. Very flexible, the kids just have to memorize simple rules and you can get in almost any formation you can think of. There's more to it (FLIp / FLOp to move the Z to the X side, motions and shifts) but that's the essence of it. The X-Y-Z set is from Coverdale, the H set is from some old Redskins stuff, FLIp/FLOp is from Hatcher's Air Raid stuff.
And I'll second the above post: You must be consistent, and be careful not to use over-loaded terms (i.e., words with 2 or more meanings). An example is leverage - I wish I had a dime for every time I heard a coach in HS or college talk about leverage. There is leverage in a blocking technique, leverage in a fill technique, and leverage in CB alignment. I make sure to tell our players "When you hear the word leverage it means a very simple thing: Position of advantage." With that understanding a kid can interpret from the context what you mean. If you're talking to a Corner on his alignment he'll understand oh, yeah, get to the place where I have a stronger position, later if you're talking to the same kid in a tackling drill he'll understand, oh, yeah, he means get my pads under his where I can drive up and through him. Just one example, but there are a lot of those little tricky phrases that can cause confusion for a kid.
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Post by easye17 on May 20, 2008 14:51:53 GMT -6
We use something very similar to Coach4life. We have 4 formations (that set X, Y, and Z), and we have what I call placements for our F and H. We have 4 formations and 8 placements each for the F and H. We can create an absolutely huge amount of formations even without motions. (128 if you count both directions on the formations, 64 if not - and all the kids need to know is the few words that actually apply to them).
When we change personnel groupings, the words we use don't change with the personnel either. The personnel groupings are responsible for knowing the terms for their given position. Their goes a lot more formations right there, and we still haven't motioned at all.
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Post by goldenbear76 on May 20, 2008 17:28:28 GMT -6
We are very similar offensively to you
A - TE to the Right, I formation "Example Play Call: A ISO RIGHT
B - TE to the Left, I formation "Example Play Call: B 30 Trap"
A-4 - TE to the Right, HB split out into slot opposite TE " Example: A-4 30 Trap"
B-4 - TE to the Left, HB split out into slot opposite TE "Example: B-4 31 Trap"
A-Trips - TE to the Right, HB split out into slot on TE side "A-Trips Flood Flood"
B-Trips - TE to the left, HB split out into slot on TE side "B-Trips Slow Screen Right"
A-5 - TE to the Right, HB in slot opposite TE, FB in slot on TE side "A-5 Delta 91"
B-5 - same
Then we do things like flex the TE out..A-4 Flex, B-4 Flex .etc.etc
Its been effective for us, simple, not wordy..we will add key words for any kind of motion like zoom, zap, yoyo..etc.
Typically we are under center, but if we wanna go Gun, we just say
A-5 GUN
A-4 GUN
B-Trips GUN
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clloyd
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Post by clloyd on May 21, 2008 18:04:18 GMT -6
We have changed the way we call our formations this year.
First our default side is always right so if your position is called you line up to the right.
Tight=Y as a TE to the right and S are split end to the left
Split=S as a SE to the right and Y as a TE to the left
Y=puts our Y as a SE to the Right and the S split to the left
S=puts our S as a SE to the Right and the Y split to the right
The only other thing we will do with our Split and Tight is call Right or Left and they both go tot the side and line up in an Over formation.
Our Z and H will line up according to our hole numbering system we use the traditional wing-t with 1 to the right and 9 to the left.
If we call 27, Z goes to the 1st number 2, so he will linuep in a wing position to the right whether there is a TE or not.
The H will lineup at the second number 7 so that puts him in the BF behind the LT.
The F will always lineup in a 5 directly behind the QB unless a 3 digit number is giving the 3 digit number gets him to move to the third number.
If a 5 is the 1st or 2nd number the back will lineup in the traditional I back position.
1 and 9 put them out as a flanker to that side.
Example
S 28 should get me this
Y T G C G T S
H Q Z
F
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clloyd
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Post by clloyd on May 21, 2008 18:04:48 GMT -6
SORRY THE DIAGRAM DIDN'T COME OUT IT SHOULD BE A DOUBLE SLOT
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Post by groundchuck on May 21, 2008 19:38:58 GMT -6
Formations:
We are one word + directional call. For example: Flanker Right
Motion:
The only player we ever put in motion is the flanker, and for that we say "fly". He needs to know where to run to/stop based on the play.
Plays:
Word + directional call. For example: Counter Right. Players must memorize where the play is landmarked to hit.
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kakavian
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Post by kakavian on May 23, 2008 9:55:33 GMT -6
Another thread a bit further up is talking a bit about some other methods too. Look for "Formation System" by rookie.
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