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Post by coachjd on May 18, 2008 19:42:52 GMT -6
Been hearing a lot of comments at clinics this past winter and a few videos that talk about running kids who fumble and jump offsides during practice at the end of practice. My former head coach would stop the entire practice and have the team do push-ups, but man I hate how that slows the tempo of team time.
Looking for comments and what type of running or punishment you may use or not use for mental errors in practice.
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Post by touchdowng on May 18, 2008 20:44:08 GMT -6
Fumbles - Depends
If it was a great hit, we play on.
If it was because of carelessness, we coach the kid up
False Starts?
1st Infraction - Everybody on the O does 1 updown
2nd Infraction - 2 up downs
3rd Infraction - 3 up downs
THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE SIDE OF BALL THAT JUMPED
We usually have their attention by the 2nd or 3rd. By the 2nd week of practice we've pretty much eliminated false starts or encroachments.
The highest we got up to? I think it was about 8.
Takes only a little time.
When there is a false start or encroachment, the coach just yells "FEET"
The kids begin foot firing and on each whistle they do an updown.
NOBODY can complain or we double it. Never had to double it because our kids know that we mean it.
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Post by cmow5 on May 18, 2008 21:56:39 GMT -6
We do almost the same thing as touchdowng, but we yell "start chopping" and we dont use the whistle we yell "hit". Thats what our cadence is so we like to stick with it. We also do it more then 1,2,3 times we hit them hard in the beginning maybe even ten times.
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Post by onthemarkfootball on May 18, 2008 22:57:45 GMT -6
I generally do the same thing...up-downs or fingertip push up generally do the trick. Every once in a while we get a large scale repeat offender. We still do the team punishment, but that guy is encouraged to "volunteer" some extra wind sprints at the end of practice.
The volunteer thing for me is a character builder. As they became familiar with it, it was a good thing.
For instance, this past season...a lineman jumps 3-4 times during team session. He knows it's his fault...he knows the volunteer thing....but instead, at water break, he grabs a quick splash of water and hits the conditioning area...on his own. Everyone notices. The rest of the team ends up gathering at the end line to root the guy on. He pays his debt...takes responsibility and everyone moves on with the rest of the practice.
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Post by goldenbear76 on May 19, 2008 3:33:05 GMT -6
Hey Coach JD
Not that anything I say can help you, but we as a staff limit "punishment" for mistakes such as fumbles/offsides to individual time. When I run a drill...get offs...and someone jumps the count...5 pushups ..the whole group does 5 pushups (peer pressure makes kids pay attention). So we don't waste much time, kids know they need to pay attention and we get back to work. Its worked well..most of the kids think its funny..but at the same time..they still don't want to be doing pushups. I guess if it becomes a real problem, you can start doing something more 'punishing'.
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Post by kcbazooka on May 19, 2008 5:15:44 GMT -6
-once had a big fullback that had fumblelitis - reminded him we had plenty of jerseys left numbered in the 60's and 70's --- he didn't fumble the rest of the year
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Post by revtaz on May 19, 2008 5:41:29 GMT -6
For defense, there are a ton of things that can happen at anytime.
We came up with a Practice Code. We assigned a value to things we wanted to focus on and eliminate.
So for:
Run over 5yds
Pass over 7yds
Touchdown
And loss of final play
It is positive a number of hills at the end of practice (I think generally +5)
For:
Turnovers
Sacks
3 and out (We do down and distance on some occasions)
Def. TD
And win on final play
It is minus (generally -5)
It doesn't slow down practice because you keep a tally during practice and then move on. I know it kind of isn;t want you guys were talking about but the same principle. I just don't like slowing practice and stopping what we are doing in the middle of it all to watch some kid do up downs.
I do ride my starters about ten times harder than my JV's. They need to be able to feel the pressure.
Taz
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Post by gschwender on May 19, 2008 6:06:45 GMT -6
sometimes when a kid makes a few careless mistakes--or especially for bad attitude-i make the rest of the team run/do up-downs while that kid gets to sit there and watch them. the rest of the team usually straightens the kid out pretty quick.
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Post by tribepride on May 19, 2008 7:32:00 GMT -6
We have the offenders do either 10 push-ups or up-downs. After the first week of practice the kids usually police themselves.
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Post by fbdoc on May 19, 2008 8:00:44 GMT -6
Up downs are our standard physical punishment. For false starts we have the offending side of the ball do 5 ( 5 yard penalty). We also collect updowns throughout practice for the team to do when we are done - this total can also decrease through good hustle, great effort, a big play, etc. If we have more than 15 left at the end of practice its been a bad day!
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Post by groundchuck on May 19, 2008 8:23:17 GMT -6
With fumbles I will do a variety of things. The kid who fumbles might have 10 pushups or if it gets to be a problem he might watch as his teammates do 10 pushups. I have also taken chronic fumblers out of the team period and had them run on the side holding a football while another back gets thier reps. I do not differenciate between a lazy fumble or the kid getting rocked by a big hit and fumbling. It is the back's job to hang onto the football IMO regardless of the situation.
Penalties--Something I started doing was adding "x" number of yards to conditioning that day. So if we have 5 offsides penalties we have another 25 yards worth of sprints.
I hate stopping practice and doing the "reminders" right then b/c I think it slows the flow. HOWEVER, if the flow already sucks b/c of lack of concentration by the kids we'll do something right then and there that does not take a lot of time (like updowns) and then move on.
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Post by cmow5 on May 19, 2008 8:39:37 GMT -6
I have done it kind of like dcohio stated and make the defense do up downs while the offense is in the huddle and then the D has to hustle to their positions and run the same defense.
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Post by briangilbert on May 20, 2008 22:58:30 GMT -6
I don't believe in punishment on the the football field.
Too much negative energy.
Just coach the young man and be a mentor if it's an off the field issue or disciplinary issue.
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Post by coachweav88 on May 21, 2008 11:59:33 GMT -6
One I've used in the past and have seen used was "bows and toes". Players have to lay on the ground face down but the only parts that can touch the ground are their palms, forearms, and their toes. They must also keep their back flat. Have them do this for 1 or 2 minutes. I've used this when kids aren't doing a drill full speed or with good focus. I tell them, "if you don't want to do the drill, then I have something else for us to do." usually works pretty well. Our kids can choose to do the drills right or they can choose to do bows and toes. Most of the time, they choose to the drills correctly.
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Post by fbcoach33 on May 21, 2008 13:07:46 GMT -6
we pull the kid that makes the penalty out and they do 10 yards of bear crawl on the sideline while their back up reps in. our kids dont even wait for us to tell them, they jump they run off to the side and get started, 100 yards for a fumble or dropped pass, 100 for loofing. we do not slow or stop practice, if the whole team is poor we have the whole team do 50,100 etc.
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Post by midlineqb on May 21, 2008 13:25:14 GMT -6
With the fumblitest (sp?) we have used an old football and put a screen door handle on it and the player carried around to class, etc the next 2 days.
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