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Post by gschwender on May 9, 2008 16:34:54 GMT -6
what is the status of the "letter of intent" if a kid signs with one school and changes his mind? Is he bound to that school?
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Post by nickknx865 on May 9, 2008 16:47:32 GMT -6
Nope
Case and point, Chris Simms had signed his letter of intent with Tennessee. So he went for a trip to UT's campus and said, "that the black players were racist to him"(or something to that effect). Turns out that that reason was good enough for Tennessee to not make him honor his commitment.
And as we all know, that douche Simms went to Texas, and had a sh**y career for the Longhorns.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 9, 2008 17:03:26 GMT -6
Nope Case and point, Chris Simms had signed his letter of intent with Tennessee. So he went for a trip to UT's campus and said, "that the black players were racist to him"(or something to that effect). Turns out that that reason was good enough for Tennessee to not make him honor his commitment. And as we all know, that douche Simms went to Texas, and had a sh**y career for the Longhorns. Umm..no. That never happened. I love it when people have tremendously strong opinions, and voice them when they have absolutely zero idea what they are talking about. Simms made a VERBAL commit to Tenn. Verbal commits are absolutely non-binding FOR BOTH PARTIES. At any point prior to the signed LOI, Tenn had no obligation to award Simms with financial aid, and Simms had NO obligation to attend TENN for one academic year. He later signed his LOI with Texas. YES LOI's are binding. The school would have to offer him a complete LOI release For more info click here. www.national-letter.org/faq/
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Post by nickknx865 on May 9, 2008 17:32:49 GMT -6
Nope Case and point, Chris Simms had signed his letter of intent with Tennessee. So he went for a trip to UT's campus and said, "that the black players were racist to him"(or something to that effect). Turns out that that reason was good enough for Tennessee to not make him honor his commitment. And as we all know, that douche Simms went to Texas, and had a sh**y career for the Longhorns. Umm..no. That never happened. I love it when people have tremendously strong opinions, and voice them when they have absolutely zero idea what they are talking about. Simms made a VERBAL commit to Tenn. Verbal commits are absolutely non-binding FOR BOTH PARTIES. At any point prior to the signed LOI, Tenn had no obligation to award Simms with financial aid, and Simms had NO obligation to attend TENN for one academic year. He later signed his LOI with Texas. YES LOI's are binding. The school would have to offer him a complete LOI release For more info click here. www.national-letter.org/faq/Just repeating what I heard from local media in Knoxville a couple years ago. Should've back checked that, or at least did a Google search on it.
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Post by leighty on May 9, 2008 19:09:34 GMT -6
If I remember correctly, there was a bit of a debacle a few years ago where, on signing day, a recruit signed LOI's for both Florida State and Clemson. I'm exactly sure how it all shook out, but the kid ended up at Clemson.
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Post by gschwender on May 9, 2008 19:21:57 GMT -6
OK this situation: Player signs LOI w/ one school and has not even paid admission fee or anything and later decides that he would like to attend another school at same level. Is he bound to the school he signed with?
Someone told me that if you sign and want to move to a school that is the same level or smaller that you are ineligible for a year--but i thought that was only if you already played for a year.
Example: Play 1yr @ D1 school Next year transfer to D2 ineligable for 1yr
Never heard of anything like this w/ the LOI
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Post by leighty on May 9, 2008 21:01:57 GMT -6
I don't know what the legal ramifications are in the scenario you've presented. I think it's ultimately up to the individual schools to make a determination about releasing kids from scholarships. I think if a kid doesn't want to be at your school, there's little to be gained from making him stay. Most schools will protect themselves by placing conditions on the release.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 10, 2008 9:54:07 GMT -6
OK this situation: Player signs LOI w/ one school and has not even paid admission fee or anything and later decides that he would like to attend another school at same level. Is he bound to the school he signed with? Someone told me that if you sign and want to move to a school that is the same level or smaller that you are ineligible for a year--but i thought that was only if you already played for a year. Example: Play 1yr @ D1 school Next year transfer to D2 ineligable for 1yr Never heard of anything like this w/ the LOI The transfer rule is only if you want to transfer to a school in the same classification. It is common for transfers from Div 1 schools to transfer to 1aa or D2 schools for exactly that reason. Chance to play immediately.
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Post by gschwender on May 12, 2008 6:12:07 GMT -6
after doing some looking the only way that a LOI is binding is if the school is a member of the National Letter of Intent Assoc. Otherwise-from my findings-it is just a piece of paper. The only schools i saw on the site are NCAA schools. Do not know if the same rules apply for NAIA schools. I do know that there is a rule that if a kid plays a year at ones school and transfers to a SMALLER school or one that is the same size he has to sit out--but this kid has not graduated yet. Still a little fuzzy on the Rules of the LOI. Do not know if either school that is in question is a member of the LOI assoc.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 12, 2008 7:47:43 GMT -6
gs--If I were you, I would make sure you really check into the transfer rule. I KNOW that is not the case in NCAA ball. The prime example going on right now with dozen's of 1AA programs courting LSU's ex heir apparent Ryan Perriloux As far as the LOI's, yes you are correct, they are only binding if the school is a part of that association. As signing day has grown (god knows why... ) lots of schools want to have a players want to "sign something" for the local paper photo opportunity.
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Post by flexspread on May 12, 2008 7:56:37 GMT -6
You are allowed to transfer to another school and play immediately if you major in something that the new school has but the school you are transfering from does not have the major. Someone did this this year and is attending Louisiana Tech I believe?
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Post by airman on May 12, 2008 17:43:43 GMT -6
A LOI is binding and the school has to release you from it. The school does not have to release you. most do but some will not. take for example V. Tech's wrestling program. The hired a guy from Iowa to make VT at wrestling powerhouse. SO the coach goes back to iowa and brings like 6 of iowa's top wrestlers to VT. Well the Iowa wrestling program goes on the decline and they fire the head coach. The coach who went to VT interviews and gets the Iowa wrestling position. The kids who followed this guy to VT naturally wanted to follow him back to iowa. VT would not release them from their scholarships.
you can go down the 1aa level from 1a and play right way. just like you can go from 1 a to d2 and play right away. heck in d3, you can transfer and be able to play right away at the same leve. D3 school to D3 school.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 12, 2008 18:35:03 GMT -6
airman...LOI is not a four year deal. It is only binding for the year in which it is signed.
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Post by gschwender on May 13, 2008 5:37:20 GMT -6
My only point is that the rules are rather vague and from what i have seen the school must be a member of the Letter of Intent Assoc. or the "LOI" is merely a piece of paper for a photo op.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 13, 2008 5:46:00 GMT -6
gs...the NCAA rules are actually extremely specific. You need to discern what organization you are dealing with, and what rules they follow.
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Post by airman on May 13, 2008 14:19:30 GMT -6
airman...LOI is not a four year deal. It is only binding for the year in which it is signed. maybe I should have been more clear. the kids had wrestled at VT so they were on scholarship. the university would not release them and tried to force them the wrestle. the kids left anyway. I realize scholarship is renewed after each year. there is no such thing a a 4 year ride now days. 20 years ago maybe. the current mode of recruiting is to recruit as many kids as possible and if they do not work out, nonrenew them at the end of the school year thus freeing up scholarships for the next year.
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