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Post by bulldogoption on May 7, 2008 8:46:07 GMT -6
For you vets who have dealt with HS kids for a while.
Any way to quantify how much info you can put into a kids head in one night, one season?
(Smaller school.....so kids need to learn everything.)
Any rule of thumb you have followed to hit the right amount per day?
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Post by fbdoc on May 7, 2008 8:53:12 GMT -6
I don't think it matters whether you coach youth, HS , or college. The "rule" to follow is don't move on until they have mastered the basics. I think a kid's head starts to explode because they are asked to do things that don't make sense. The first thing we put in is our Fly Sweep and we don't even talk about the FB dive mesh until our kids have the sweep down (usually the first day). We begin to build upon those small victories and add the next phases. By the end of the first week, we usually have our sweep, dive, boot, and play action clicking. How much more we choose to add depends on how well those BASE plays look.
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Post by ajreaper on May 7, 2008 10:12:53 GMT -6
Any creature able to have 7,000 songs on an Ipod can learn everything and anything a high school coach feels he needs to teach them- IMHO
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Post by justryn2 on May 7, 2008 13:26:21 GMT -6
Yes, HS kids are definitely capable of learning a lot. But two things to keep in mind; their attention spans are still not that long (they get bored quickly), and, just because they are capable of learning, its no excuse to overly complicate things. KISS is still the best coaching advice I ever got. If its simple then the players know that they know and they'll play with more confidence.
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Post by nickknx865 on May 7, 2008 17:00:39 GMT -6
As a player, I think I would be qualified to answer this.
Try not to throw everything at them all at once, but gradualy. Also, does your state allow spring practice, because if it does, that would be the time to teach most of your stuff. If you can, print out a sheet or two of certian things you would want to teach the certian player to learn.
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Post by phantom on May 7, 2008 17:21:23 GMT -6
Several people have said that you shouldn't install one thing until the preceding installation has been perfected. We believe the opposite. We install about 95% of our defense in the first two weeks. We move fast and their heads are swimming. Then we put much of it on the back burner and focus on what we plan to run in the first game. The theory is that later in the season when we want to run something that we don't need in the first few games the players will have been exposed to it. It won't be a cold install.
In our opinion if you wait for them to perfect something you may never get along to the next thing. You get a real feel for how much they can handle and you can dump some stuff if necessary.
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Post by k on May 7, 2008 17:49:25 GMT -6
Depends. My center knew everything for every position on the field the day it was put in or the next. He knew the footwork for the backs as well as the routes for the receivers and what each lineman was doing. That said my left tackle and left guard didn't know a single play. EVERY play ALL season they had to ask what they were doing on a specific play. My center made up code for them so he could tell them what to do even as an audible.
Varies so much. Got to know your personnel.
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Post by ramsoc on May 7, 2008 23:13:43 GMT -6
I try to cram as much stuff into their brains as time allows. Then once its all been introduced, its time to tune it up. You spend time perfecting three plays before moving on to the next 3 plays, you're going to lose them to boredom.
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Post by goldenbear76 on May 8, 2008 0:59:21 GMT -6
Coach, i'm at a small school..and as a lot of these guys say...we start with very basic installation of run plays and passing game. We're an I-formation team that spreads out a bit as well..but our base runs have been very simple. ISO, FB Trap, Counter, Veer, Toss. Thats our run game primarily for the first few weeks. As the season goes on, of course..you add stuff slowly if you can. But get your base runs down..the simple stuff that you NEED to execute to be able to effeciently run your offense. Passing wise we start out with 5 basic passing plays, 1 playaction (possibly 2 if you have a smart group of kids). We run these plays into the ground before the season starts and by your first game you should be hitting the ground running, in terms of execution. 7 on 7 summer league helps a lot with passing stuff though (minus your protection schemes).
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Post by dsqa on May 12, 2008 7:04:18 GMT -6
Contrary to popular opinion, players love to learn. In my opinion, you can install a lot more, and sustain attention longer, if you get them to buy in to what you are "teaching" them, not telling them.
There is certainly a limit to how much, but meaningful interaction with players during the install can assist their ability to process and recall.
Just spitballing.
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Post by bulldogoption on May 12, 2008 14:08:26 GMT -6
How do you assess when its not on the right pace.....i.e. its too much OR too little?  |
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Post by groundchuck on May 12, 2008 14:31:30 GMT -6
I agree they love to learn new stuff, but there is only so much practice time to get good at it.
Start with basics move to next level when they can handle it. You'll know when that it.
Kid's brains are like a sponge. They will absorb alot. But there gets a point where niether will absorb anymore for a while.
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Post by RENO6 on May 12, 2008 14:36:26 GMT -6
You can figure out you're trying too much if kids make the same mistake twice (not having to be the same kid twice).
It's too little if you don't have a way to exploit something the defenses is giving you.
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Post by touchdowng on May 12, 2008 19:09:22 GMT -6
We are more like PHANTOM.
We tell our guys that they will feel like "deers in the headlights" for a little while - usually the first week and then things will begin to clear up
We teaching our offense conceptually and use quite a bit of verbage to add the tweaks to it. Once kids learn THEIR words and understand that there is only two words and a number they need to know with each playcall, everything clicks. (the entire playcall could be 8 words long)
I spent a little time in New York and leaned the subway system in about three days. The first time I was swimming. Once I learned what I had to look at while disregarding the rest, the system became very simple. I guess this is what my kids feel like during install time.
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