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Post by falconscoach on May 7, 2008 3:33:14 GMT -6
Looking for help... I am Head Coach at a new program with players that I dint know with the exception of 2 of them. I am looking to run the Triple Option Wishbone by the middle of the season depending on what the talent level is on the team. The Wishbone is nothing new to me, however adding the option is. I am looking for some advice on placement of players and what type of player would fit best in the backfield. Also if there are any thought on the line as well.
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Post by casec11 on May 7, 2008 6:25:44 GMT -6
Coach, How old are your kids?
I am not an option caoch but this is advice I have heard: One way to coach it is to pre call the dive, keep and pitch yourself read it from the side lines... then as the Q learns call the dive or keep and have the QB read the pitch key on keep. If they are older and the Q can learn progress to the triple, but it will take reps and time away from other plays.
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Post by bulldogoption on May 7, 2008 6:50:21 GMT -6
Coach
Option QBs are glorified running backs. Make sure they can take being tackled and hit.
FBs are the cornerstone of the offense. This is your baddest dude. He will basically be tackled every play regardless of whether he has the ball. The whole offense starts with him.
HBs are fast. Don't get a a lot of carries, but homerun potential.
IMO Guards should be best blockers. Have to block DT.
Tackles should be quick. Have to block LBs
Center should be athletic.
Good Luck
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Post by coachdoug on May 7, 2008 7:55:19 GMT -6
Falcon - my only advice is, if you're going to run option, commit to it. Youth teams that mainly run power, misdirection, etc. and just try to spinkle in option as a change of pace, generally fail miserably with the option. Option requires a ton of reps (like 50% or more of your practice reps, EVERY day), so unless it is going to be a major component of your offense, it is isn't worth it.
That said, if you are going to commit to it, it is tough to stop, and I think the advice offered by casec11 and bulldogoption is solid.
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Post by davecisar on May 7, 2008 10:16:41 GMT -6
We ran the "Option" for 6-7 years ages 8-10 and 11-12. We ran "triple' and speed options our of the "I". Coach most of what we really did was double options, we could option the outside key, but we called the dive. We practiced it a ton and ran it in games maybe 40+% of the time.
We did real well with it until I had a spell of 1 year without a very good QB and 2 years without an outside threat TB.
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Post by justryn2 on May 7, 2008 15:00:40 GMT -6
All of the advice here so far seems solid. I used the wishbone triple option look with a 7th grade team quite successfully. I say triple option LOOK because the dive was always called in the huddle. So, the only real option was pitch or keep. Just don't forget that, in addition to having your backfield run the play well, your o-line needs to block the play correctly. To be successful, you'll probably spend more time on the blocking rules and execution than on the backfield.
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Post by raiderpirates on May 7, 2008 15:46:50 GMT -6
Try faking the FB and running the play side HB as a double dive, then the HB can get around for the option read. That way you get the option effect to the dive and still have a lead blocker.
It's more likely the QB gets a lane to cut upfield off the second man going dive, farthest outside player to PS and BS(rip) unblocked.
We put our TE(one of our best players) at FB for short yardage FB to wishbone our split backs for some practice reps and a scrimmage. We'd call the FB in huddle and crossbuck him off a counter step.
Our other offensive plays worked so well we didn't ever get a chance to use it. They had to stop what we ran to make us change to that and nobody did. The only thing that stopped us was our own desire to run too many sweeps or throw all go routes. My preference is to go with control plays instead all or nothing stuff.
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lbdad
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Post by lbdad on May 7, 2008 17:24:45 GMT -6
try to hook or log the def end and option the playside lb'er at the youth leval it would be deadly.
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Post by raiderpirates on May 7, 2008 20:10:37 GMT -6
Agreed, the outside edge defender is who you want to place the burden upon, make him delcare.
We basically count SAM as a DE for counting purposes to play side.
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Post by jhanawa on May 13, 2008 16:43:07 GMT -6
We've run the triple option from under center and shotgun with 7/8th graders going on 9 years now. They certainly are old enough to understand it and run it. I think in the long run it is easier and definately more productive to have them read it instead of calling the dive. In order to do this you have to drill it in phases so that the footwork, mesh and read all happen as naturally as breathing. Footwork in shorts/shirts, then progress to mesh, then with a pitchback, then in pads inside read drill, then with outside read involved, etc, etc...break down the parts of it and teach whats going on in each segment. Give decisive read keys.....
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ptmtom
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Post by ptmtom on May 20, 2008 23:55:15 GMT -6
Coach, we've been running triple and double option from under center, also. We run the flexbone system. As above, teaching it in phases is key. I also agree that you have to let the kids read it as soon as possible. Start by pre-determining call (dive, keep and pitch) but quiz qb often. As soon as he indicates to you that he is reading his keys, let him.
Work on the mesh everyday.
The O-line is very important. They all must know who is Read and Pitch keys every play. Drill them on blocking in space. Once they get to the second level, they have to be effective.
Good Luck.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2008 4:03:02 GMT -6
Looking for help... I am Head Coach at a new program with players that I dint know with the exception of 2 of them. I am looking to run the Triple Option Wishbone by the middle of the season depending on what the talent level is on the team. The Wishbone is nothing new to me, however adding the option is. I am looking for some advice on placement of players and what type of player would fit best in the backfield. Also if there are any thought on the line as well. Coach, how old are the kids you are coaching ?? We ran the wishbone triple in college, it was pretty tough to get a hold of, and was terible to pass out of. I found the Veer actually easier to run when we ran it, better passing too |
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Post by burtledog on Jun 30, 2008 9:12:10 GMT -6
You guys that ran option for youth, but said you called the dive. Did you block everything Veer, or did you use another scheme, particularly when you called the dive?
Greg
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Post by pantherfb10 on Jun 30, 2008 14:04:54 GMT -6
seriously dont do it, how many 9 yr olds can you see running the option, it would be hard enough to even teach the read and the pitch would be just as hard, you would need to rep it like 150x on AIR to get the pitch down pat. Remember what works in HS sometimes may not work with 4th graders
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Post by coachpruitt on Jul 8, 2008 18:09:12 GMT -6
I am running the Veer for the first time this year and I had a 20 minute run through with my QB, he picked it up so quickly it was amazing he is 13 and only a second year player. I would agree on calling the Dive in the huddle and graduating to the keep and the pitch. the most important part of the offense is remembering it is a ball control offense and your line men are almost always double teaming at the point of attack. I decided to run it because it requires young defensive players to stay at home, at the same time the offense is roughly 8 total plays and that makes for a quick learn. Noe the less you must work hard at it.
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ptmtom
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Post by ptmtom on Jul 8, 2008 23:11:34 GMT -6
It's really not hard when you stress 'give unless'. It sounds trivial but it works.
As far as the blocking goes no matter how you go about teaching your QB, you should always block using the veer rules.
I agree with Coach Pruitt, the advantage is small number of plays gives you more time to perfect them.
Another coaching point is really take time on teaching the paths your backs take. They must be consistant always.(No exceptions.)
Good luck to you Coach.
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