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Post by beachoc on May 4, 2008 8:36:29 GMT -6
First off, our HC wants to run a lot of jet series stuff this year with the compliments off the jet (trap, iso, qb power, ect.) What do you guys suggest the line splits should be...fyi.. we have a ton of skill talent but small line, would larger splits help our lack of size?
Secondly, what have some of you done to compensate for a small line. We have such solid talent but are lacking up front, how do we compensate to ensure success? Any suggestions would help.
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Post by Coach Bruce on May 4, 2008 8:49:48 GMT -6
I'm certainly not as well versed as any of those here but I would think the opposite would be true. Shorten your splits or even foot to foot. Also take into consideration the talent level of your line..I don't think you have to have a large line if your technique is solid.
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Post by catz1 on May 4, 2008 9:10:25 GMT -6
First off, our HC wants to run a lot of jet series stuff this year with the compliments off the jet (trap, iso, qb power, ect.) What do you guys suggest the line splits should be...fyi.. we have a ton of skill talent but small line, would larger splits help our lack of size? Secondly, what have some of you done to compensate for a small line. We have such solid talent but are lacking up front, how do we compensate to ensure success? Any suggestions would help. Hi Coach... what age group... skill level... etc...? Also... are you going to hang your hat on Jet Sweep, or are you an inside/off-tackle running team that want to use Jet to open up the inside game. And... BTW... if your kids are sharp you can tweek splits depending on the play. |
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Post by beachoc on May 4, 2008 12:53:44 GMT -6
Coach Bruce, in regards to line size, we were thinking because of our lack of size that by widening splits we could open up more running lanes for our skill players through width, if we go foot to foot we'd condense the defense which may make our angle blocks harder because we can't push people around. We want to utilize the jet and orbit motions to get the defense moving without us always physically moving them.
Catz, we are a large high school in a very competitive district with a high level of skill. We face DI talent every week, we have it to just so happens there all at the skill positions this year, not a bad problem just trying to get them in the best situations to be successful.
We plan on using the jet as our base and run the traps, iso's, powers off it. I guess what I'm asking is what do most of you guys generally use as your line splits in this jet based system?
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Post by justryn2 on May 4, 2008 13:11:55 GMT -6
On the jet sweep, your line needs to make sure that they don't allow penetration. That would suggest that you tighten you splits in a little, may just a foot or less. However, for the inside game, I completely agree that two to three foot splits make it much easier for a small O-Line to create running lanes.
You probably need to compromise a little and go with splits of just under two feet. But make sure you spend plenty of time with the O-line to teach them techniques for cutting off penetration and / or opening up the outside for th jet sweep.
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Post by wingtol on May 4, 2008 13:20:14 GMT -6
If you are running jet as a base I think wide splits would widen the D as well and reduce the amount of space you have to run the jet to. We are a wing-t team and use 2'-2'-3' as our splits and have success running jet/rocket with those splits.
I have seen this discussion before and do not want to take credit for this statement but if you have a smaller line and want to look for an advantage up front look at how far back your line is off the LOS. We like our guys as far back as we can get away with for our pulls and down blocks.
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Post by catz1 on May 4, 2008 13:57:29 GMT -6
Coach...
We generally use 2-2-3 also. Sometimes we reduce splits to make down blocks easier... or compress the formation on jet/rocket.
If you go down to 1-1-1 as a base... I think you hurt yourself on the inside runs.
That said... if your line is small and quick... and you maximize the DMZ... 2-2-3 should be fine for almost everything.
One other consideration... try Rocket Sweep... don't even have to block the 5 technique in most cases. This will help you o-line more than anything.
Hope this helps.
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Post by spartan74 on May 7, 2008 16:20:14 GMT -6
i beleive if you are running outside tighen your splits, if running inside widen your splits.
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Post by ghengiskhan on May 7, 2008 23:26:18 GMT -6
whats the difference between a jet sweep and a rocket sweep?
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Post by jackedup on May 8, 2008 8:42:04 GMT -6
I would have to agree with wingtol and justryn2 with the line splits. If your line is smaller than most, you don't want to put them in space against possible a bigger DT/DE. Shortening your splits on outside runs and widen them for inside. And I'm only talking about 3-6". Otherwise teams can pick that up easily.
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Post by RENO6 on May 8, 2008 9:44:14 GMT -6
Our splits are 1.5ft. If you're covered take them out to 3ft splits.
We also tell them alignment by assignment. If we are running outside SWEEP, STRETCH, SPEED, & COUNTER tighten to 1.5ft.
If defense are reading our splits for outside runs, they will get ripped apart by counter trey.
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Post by kble on May 8, 2008 10:06:23 GMT -6
jet sweep has presnap motion directly behind the LOS with QB giving the ball after giving up"A" gap-rocket sweep is different in that the presnap motion is behind the QB and the QB doesn't call for the ball from center until the back has reached approx "C"-more of a quick pitch- I love the rocket because it tends to get us outside the box before the defense can move-has great couonters off as well
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Post by tedseay on May 8, 2008 10:09:09 GMT -6
If you go down to 1-1-1 as a base... I think you hurt yourself on the inside runs. Coach: I disagree, I've used 1-foot splits with a Fly Sweep-based offense for several years now with great success. It helps with the wide stuff, obviously, and also allows you to hit off-tackle faster with Red Light Sweep and other complementary plays. And the reason it doesn't hurt your inside game is that you don't call the inside stuff until the defense is vacating the middle to slow down the sweeps. Don't attack walled cities...  |
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Post by tedseay on May 8, 2008 10:14:03 GMT -6
Secondly, what have some of you done to compensate for a small line. We have such solid talent but are lacking up front, how do we compensate to ensure success? Any suggestions would help. A speed-sweep based offense is a great way to compensate for lack of Grade A beef up front. With Fly/Jet sweep, you don't need to block anyone on the LOS to the backside of the playside B gap, releasing your little O-line guys to the second and third levels right away and neutralizing all that D1 talent they have on their D-line. Beyond that, the misdirection built into the Fly/Jet series in particular can take superior pursuit right out of the game. It's a great plan for your situation, with talent at the skill positions. Just convince your backs to carry out all their fakes with 100% intensity, and your linemen to run their tracks and never quit until the whistle's last echo. |
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Post by carson101 on May 9, 2008 7:19:15 GMT -6
Our o line in the past has always been small and we use the 2-2-3 except for a few times we have weny to 6" just to get the de/olb a little further outside and commit them so that we could run a quick off takle play in our speed boat series
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