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Post by wildcat on Apr 27, 2008 12:02:15 GMT -6
Went to a clinic this weekend and saw a coach demonstrate his direct snap technique.
The center grabs the end of the ball that is closest to him with both hands and simply flicks it back to the QB. Rather than spiraling back, the ball goes back end-over-end.
What I liked about it was that the snap was straight-on every single time...no movement to the right or the left...and had great velocity on the way back.
Anyone use this or have seen this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2008 12:14:10 GMT -6
I have seen it and agree on the point about accuracy. I would be concerned about how quickly the center could get his hands back to a defender if he's covered, though.
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 27, 2008 13:13:09 GMT -6
Yes, we like it alot. Turn the laces so that the QB gets the laces "right" everytime. Haven't had any more concerned with getting hands up to block any more than one handed snap.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 27, 2008 13:38:48 GMT -6
I think that is something Hugh Wyart suggests if Im not having a "Senior Moment"
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A number of Single Wing coaches I know use it and swear by it.
Weve never had any problems with the snap, so weve not used it.
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Post by superpower on Apr 27, 2008 14:36:15 GMT -6
That is the direct snap technique that Hugh Wyatt suggests. It has worked very well for us the past couple of years.
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Post by bhb on Apr 27, 2008 19:58:52 GMT -6
I've used it for as long as I can remember- and will continue to for as long as I can forsee.. If it was good enough for Jock Sutherland, it's good enough for me..
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Post by ramsoc on Apr 27, 2008 21:41:31 GMT -6
I have seen it and agree on the point about accuracy. I would be concerned about how quickly the center could get his hands back to a defender if he's covered, though. Line up in a scrimmage kick formation (A-11 anyone) and he can't be touch until he's able to defend himself or something to that effect, I forget the rule. |
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Post by tedseay on Apr 28, 2008 5:06:58 GMT -6
Went to a clinic this weekend and saw a coach demonstrate his direct snap technique. The center grabs the end of the ball that is closest to him with both hands and simply flicks it back to the QB. Rather than spiraling back, the ball goes back end-over-end. What I liked about it was that the snap was straight-on every single time...no movement to the right or the left...and had great velocity on the way back. Anyone use this or have seen this? WC: Works fine one-handed, too. As noted, it was the method Jock Sutherland taught at Pitt during their multiple national-championship run in the 30's; Rich Erdelyi at Carnegie-Mellon picked up on it several years ago and has been using it with great success. |
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Post by shs06 on Apr 30, 2008 10:12:46 GMT -6
Not sure that I understand what is being said. Is the ball still pointing the same direction as a normal gun snap (endzone to endzone) or is it on its side (sideline to sideline)?
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Post by knighter on Apr 30, 2008 12:54:56 GMT -6
Wyatt advocates it, and it works beautifully with kids who have NEVER snapped before period. It works well for us.
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Post by morris on Apr 30, 2008 19:59:00 GMT -6
This method has come up in the pass protection section but no one has any vidoe of it. Could some one please film a short clip of this and post it? Is there a tape of Wyatt's that has this on it?
This is the way I am understanding it.
Ball is "normal" tips of ball going toward the endzones. Laces are rotated to the left or right depending on QB's hand
Center grabs the end of the ball that is nearest to him running his index finger of the seam if he is doing it one handed.
Ball is rocked up onto it's nose (point of ball that is near the defense)
Ball is then snapped directly back through the jock.
Is this how it works? Like I said peopel have been going nuts for vidoe of this since it was brought up in the pass protection section. Please help some brothers out and post it.
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Post by bhb on Apr 30, 2008 21:06:42 GMT -6
yes, that's exactly it..
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Post by knighter on May 1, 2008 9:31:22 GMT -6
grab "your half of the ball"
drag the nose of the ball across the grass
end over end snap (think old option pitch style so the ball tumbles)
don't watch it, DO IT, see it work....every time.
it is not rocket science, do it and see how simple it is
better yet take your kids and have them do it, watch how simple it is. it does not have to be over coached, grab your half, drag the nose on the grass (ball will tumble on it's own)...it really is that simple. very accurate
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Post by phantom on May 1, 2008 15:54:14 GMT -6
grab "your half of the ball" drag the nose of the ball across the grass end over end snap (think old option pitch style so the ball tumbles) don't watch it, DO IT, see it work....every time. it is not rocket science, do it and see how simple it is better yet take your kids and have them do it, watch how simple it is. it does not have to be over coached, grab your half, drag the nose on the grass (ball will tumble on it's own)...it really is that simple. very accurate I did. I and another coach tried it today and liked it. We also tried it with our graduating center, who had walk-on offers as a long-snapper, and he hated it. He tried to do it as a LS, though. I'll definitely bounce it off the HC. |
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Post by morris on May 1, 2008 16:34:20 GMT -6
Ok either I am not doing something right or I am just stupid. I think I have a 50/50 shot either way. I tried it today and had some players try it. We had one kid that could "kinda" do it. This is one reason I would like to see it. It might be we are not dragging the ball like we should or as much.
From the short try today the ball did not get back there very fast. It did not turn end over end. I had a few that seemed like they were on the right track but nothing was getting back there like our other snaps. One reason I am looking at this is to help cut down on bad snaps.
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Post by tedseay on May 2, 2008 6:51:43 GMT -6
Ok either I am not doing something right or I am just stupid. I think I have a 50/50 shot either way. I tried it today and had some players try it. We had one kid that could "kinda" do it. This is one reason I would like to see it. It might be we are not dragging the ball like we should or as much. From the short try today the ball did not get back there very fast. It did not turn end over end. I had a few that seemed like they were on the right track but nothing was getting back there like our other snaps. One reason I am looking at this is to help cut down on bad snaps. Coach: To me the dragging is less important than the follow-through -- the wrist should be giving the cup a good solid slap. With the ball resting on the forward tip, the drag isn't that hard or that prolonged -- the ball spends most of its time doing a 360 degree turn through the vertical plane on its way back to the QB. I just took a New Zealand rugby player from my office and taught it to him in 3 attempts. Perfect snap, laces ready to pass. |
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Post by morris on May 2, 2008 6:58:35 GMT -6
Well then I am not sure where I am screwing this up at. Also will the ball get back there fast enough for fly/jet out of the gun. Pictures, or video or this woudl honestly help.
Is the ball at an angle or is it more or less straight up and down? Are you using 2 hands or 1? Is this on a Wyatt vidoe and if so which one?
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Post by knighter on May 2, 2008 13:45:59 GMT -6
i couldn't post video of it if i tried...lol, that's why i am encouraging you to try it...lol
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Post by morris on May 2, 2008 14:18:56 GMT -6
If I can I will try to get vidoe of us doing it and try to post it. that way someoen can tell me what we are doing wrong
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Post by knighter on May 2, 2008 20:09:27 GMT -6
good idea morris....not because i don't have video of it...i just am not real good with this technology stuff. takes me awhile just to figure out how to get to the internet...lmao
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Post by tedseay on May 3, 2008 10:13:21 GMT -6
Also will the ball get back there fast enough for fly/jet out of the gun. Is the ball at an angle or is it more or less straight up and down? Are you using 2 hands or 1? Is this on a Wyatt vidoe and if so which one? The snap is a little bit slower than a spiral snap, but you can time up anything you can run from shotgun just fine, speed sweeps included. The rear tip of the ball should be about 25-30 degrees below vertical, pointing back toward the QB; and I always use one hand with this method. No idea whether Coach Wyatt includes this on one of his videos or not -- I'll ask over on the Delphi Double Wing board. |
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Post by bmarsh07 on May 5, 2008 10:13:59 GMT -6
Tried it this weekend- seems great up to about 8-10 yards, but past that, seems to take too long to get back there. (before you ask the obvious question about our QB depth, we're a flag team, and we put the QB at 15-20 yards- completely negates any rush the D sends)
How far back have you guys been successful with it?
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Post by knighter on May 5, 2008 21:39:54 GMT -6
We actually could have long snapped to our punters this way last year. Punter depth is 15 yards from the ball. Just takes a little practice is all.
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