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Post by dbcoach14 on Apr 23, 2008 12:46:32 GMT -6
What is a good way to get kids looked at by colleges? Not just talking about football. Would it be okay to just call the coach and tell him you have a kid that he should look or what? Thanks
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Post by unc31 on Apr 23, 2008 13:01:27 GMT -6
Absolutely call them. Put together a list of your prospects and send it to everyone from D1 if you have any, to D3 and everywhere in between. Include all the pertinent info, stats and accomplishments. Be honest with your assessments. If you mislead them once, your credibility is shot all to heck.
Put together some highlight DVD's of your top prospects and get them out there. Using this method, I had two unknowns sign D1 rides. Simply due to getting their names out there and creating interest. I have had other guys that everyone recruited, but these two were under the radar. Beat the bushes for those kids, they are sacrificing alot for the program.
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Post by coachbw on Apr 23, 2008 13:02:19 GMT -6
Yes that would be ok. My experience is that recruiting is all about getting the name out there and so the school can make contact with the student. We send game film to all of the year colleges in a 5 state area with a roster and comments on who could play at which level. The other suggestion I have is to make sure that you do not ignore the recruiting information services such as Collegiate Sports Data. I know that several of the school in our area take their recruiting list almost entirely from these sources.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 23, 2008 13:36:54 GMT -6
Make sure you check their progress in the NCAA Clearinghouse...
We have a couple of kids that some D1 schools are interested in, but everytime they ask myself or the HC about what we think, we have to be honest and say that it will be down to the wire on the clearinghouse.
We have a kid who is going to be a Senior next year 6'2" 215, and built like a full-grown man. Plays WLB, and 4-5 D1 schools are interested... but he is 100 credits behind due to grades from before we got here... Trying to get them made up, but 100 credits in a year is almost impossible!
Like UNC31 said... burn a college coach once, and you may not get another look from him or his staff ever again. Use general info, and don't "over-try". Your job is to just get the kids name out there... then it's up to the kid to do the things required to get the ride.
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Post by phantom on Apr 23, 2008 16:11:04 GMT -6
What is a good way to get kids looked at by colleges? Not just talking about football. Would it be okay to just call the coach and tell him you have a kid that he should look or what? Thanks I'll add that you have to make sure that you give the player your honest assessment of the level where you think he can play. Now that the rules have changed and college coaches can't attend combines they're useless for D.1 kids. If I'm not mistaken, though, D. 2 and below coaches can still attend so a combine may be useful for a kid who's looking at that level. On-campus camps are another way for a player to get noticed. If a kid has an interest in a particular school attending their camp is one way to attract their interest. They can be expensive, though, so that's where it's important that they have realistic expectations. Another thing is, if you don't know already, find out what coach recruits your area when you're contacting a school. Address your info to him. |
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Post by chaz111 on Apr 23, 2008 17:27:45 GMT -6
1 little trick I use....this year I have a 6-8 300 OL....not great but he looks like and NFL player ( I don't think it's possible for you to imagine what he looks like standing there...East Carolina coach could not believe it the other day)
But I send my kids video out separately. With the big kid I was afraid that would see his and just ignore my other guys. I just rotate my mail so that they do not receive the same one each day. I also loath using a google video email situation with a link. I can't tell you how many camps etc that come through my email. To easy to ignore. JMHO
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Post by gunrun on Apr 24, 2008 10:53:07 GMT -6
dcohio, good post. Does anyone put their player's highlights and a copy of their transcript on their team webpage? How effective is this vs. just mailing them out?
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Post by Yash on Apr 24, 2008 11:11:57 GMT -6
Take the kids interest into consideration also. If the kid wants to get a business degree do't send him to a school that is primarily agriculture just because they are offering money. Make sure the school fits the kid not just the football program. Football season is only one third of the year, the kid has to like the school outside of football as well.
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Post by fatkicker on Apr 24, 2008 11:12:47 GMT -6
my suggestion would be to put game tape in the mailing instead of a "highlight" tape.....
let the college guys see how he acts when the play is away, or he gets double teamed 5 plays in a row.....does he come out hard the 6th play....
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Post by gunrun on Apr 24, 2008 13:35:09 GMT -6
What if that page of your web site could be accessible to only college coaches and not to the public?
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Post by Yash on Apr 25, 2008 7:28:35 GMT -6
The kid would have to sign off on a transcript as would the parents if the kid wasn't 18.
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Post by kdcoach on Apr 25, 2008 16:06:11 GMT -6
What we send out is very similar to what dcohio sends, also I NEVER exaggerate an inch, pound or tenth in any of their measurables. I have had a lot of positive feedback from college coaches on that. I also shoot straight as far as the things that aren't measurable, attitude, work ethic, leadership etc. my feeling is that if you don't the next one that comes along won't get a fair look from those colleges if you burn them the first time through.
Another thing we do is have a conversation with the parents and the student together to discuss both of their expectations for playing at the next level. You would be amazed at how often they are on totally different pages as far as expectations or even desires.
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Post by oguru on Apr 25, 2008 20:46:19 GMT -6
As a college football coach for the past seven years going on my 8th. I will say this DO NOT SEND HIGHLIGHT TAPES. We as college coaches want to see the good the bad and the ugly. Not just a bunch of TD'S. I want to see when a RB fumbles,and how he handles it the next drive. These are things which highlight tapes DO NOT SHOW US.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Apr 25, 2008 21:25:14 GMT -6
I am going to go ahead and disagree with oguru about not sending highlight tapes. If possible have both a highlight tape and full game or two. Reason being that I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes making my first evaluation. I want to be able to pop in a DVD and take a look at a kid and judge his overall athleticism and talent first. If he is good enough on the highlight tape, then I can watch a full game and go through all of those things good and bad things oguru mentions.
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Post by oguru on Apr 25, 2008 21:54:43 GMT -6
Coach,
This has not just been my feelings, but the feeling of some division one coaches. Yes looking at a highlight tape is quicker. However it doesn't give a very adequate evaluation of a kid.
Like I said this comes from very good division one recruiters, who have told me this as one of the boggest thigns I can do with recruiting. I will take the time to evaluate a kid the first time, as long as it takes. I can see a lot of things from a game film, just like I can froma highlight tape. However the game film will show me everything I want to see,and what my head coach wants to see,while a highlight tape will just show me the things the player or the players coach wants me to see.
Like I said this has come from some of the top recruiters in division oen football
Barry Alvarez
Kevin Cosgrove
Bernie Wyatt
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Post by biggroff on Apr 25, 2008 22:18:41 GMT -6
I will respectfully disagree with oguru (This is just my personal opinion). As a JUCO football coach I would really like to see a highlight tape for 3 reasons...
1) Allows me to see the athlete in a good light right away.
2) Helps me to see what the athlete looks like right away to identify him right away when I look at the actual game tape. Numbers are often hard to read.
3) See if it is worth my time breaking down the game tape on the athlete. I am not spending time on the game tape if the highlight tape does not look good. I also have classes to teach along with football. I don't have time to look at tape of athletes that cannot compete at the JUCO level.
I absolutely need 2 game tapes along with the highlight tape.
I would agree with a lot of what has been said here already. Get your kids' names out there so people know that they are available. I would say that 75% of the kids I recruit are from active high school coaches who contact us about players. I would say it is probably a similar percentage at smaller schools (Division 3 and Division 2) where recruiting budgets are tight and staffs are small.
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Post by oguru on Apr 26, 2008 11:22:06 GMT -6
See if it is worth my time breaking down the game tape on the athlete. I am not spending time on the game tape if the highlight tape does not look good. I also have classes to teach along with football
This is a key if the hightlight tape you pu together coach is not very good. Please do not waste our time sending it to us.
Yes we get more film then kids we recruit. What happens is the good keys the coaches watcha nd the rest of the kids the GA's watch.
I can see a lot from a highlight tape like if they carry the ball high and tight,and in the proper arm. If they don't do that as a running back coach I am turned off right away. These are just fundamentals that all running backs should know,and the good ones are taught this.
Carry the ball High &Tight-No ball shoing from behind the back
Carry the ball in the arm away from traffic.
Never,never,never exhange the ball from hands to hand. Always carry the ball in the arm towards the closest sideline.
Like I said the good high school running backs like Justin Beaver(D3 Heisman,NFL Prospect) who I just finished coaching do this in high school,as they are coached to do so.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 26, 2008 15:32:27 GMT -6
my suggestion would be to put game tape in the mailing instead of a "highlight" tape..... let the college guys see how he acts when the play is away, or he gets double teamed 5 plays in a row.....does he come out hard the 6th play.... NO!!!!! dead wrong here coach. Highlight film ALL THE WAY. At the college level the staffs (at least all the ones I have been associated with, or interact with) coaches are evaluating hundreds upon hundreds of tapes. Just a run of the mill game tape, where the first 4 plays have the player either squeezing the backside, or simply back pedaling a few steps as the ball is thrown the other way and quickly tackled basically gets old VERY fast. The college coaches are primarily evaluating the ability to play on their particular level. Is the kid explosive. what type of closing speed (or separation speed) does he have? Can he "bend" or is he a stiff linear player. How good can he change direction. Having a tape prepared that answers those questions is the best way to get the coaches interested in your kids. If coaches have to really "search" to find answers to these questions...well, again, they are looking at HUNDREDS of tapes...and that tape/dvd might be popped out really quick. --modified--- apparently oguru differs in his opinion. I just know that I wanted a highlight film initially, the staffs I worked with wanted a highlight film initially, staffs I networked with wanted a highlight film initially.. Just an extra FYI..being responsive and organized with transcripts and film is a big plus. Many H.S coaches are not. Some are not even that helpful... True story..a buddy of mine called a H.S coach last week who had listed some players on a recruiting service. My buddy asked him if he could send out some transcripts and jr year film on the players. The coach replied "Well, how interested are you in these kids? I don't like to send out film unless I know the school is interested in my kids..."  . How the heck does a coach get interested in a kid BEFORE seeing transcripts and film...? |
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