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Post by airitout616 on Apr 22, 2008 12:47:29 GMT -6
Was watching the Missouri spring game this weekend and it looked like there QB depth was 6 or 7 yards. Did anyone else catch this ?
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Post by scoresomemore on Apr 22, 2008 14:47:23 GMT -6
they did that last year too, check out the film. i forget which games i seen it in though.
for the sake of the post, what does this depth do for you other than the obvious of giving you more time to throw and allowing you to be poorer at pass protection?
how would you incoroporate a run game from their depth? zone seems to be the logical answer, what else would you do?
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Post by hawkfan on Apr 22, 2008 14:53:47 GMT -6
For some reason, I can't remember any plays where he was at that depth with another back in the backfield...I can only recall him being that deep when they went empty. I don't think they ran him from that depth much, but they are/were(?) still able to run their Jet stuff with Maclin.
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Post by scoresomemore on Apr 22, 2008 16:06:25 GMT -6
good point, i guess it might have been primarily empty that they used that with.
If you were going to do it, what runs would you use hawkfan? shovels, draws, etc seem to fit, any other ideas?
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Post by airitout616 on Apr 22, 2008 17:59:59 GMT -6
I DVRed the game looking back they used this depth all game even with a RB in the backfield.
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Post by hawkfan on Apr 22, 2008 18:04:37 GMT -6
Airitout beat me to it...I have the bowl game vs. Arkansas on tape. I popped it in, and Daniel is that deep on every snap. His feet are staggered; his front toes are at 6 or so, and the heel of his back foot is at about 7.
They get away with it because they really widen the edge with their line splits. Also, with Daniel being a shorter QB, it gives him more room to operate when they run their quick stuff.
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Post by spartan74 on Apr 22, 2008 18:59:58 GMT -6
I listened to theor OC in chicago and they teach the qb epth to be about 6-7 and their o-line splits is extremely wide as well
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Post by airitout616 on Apr 22, 2008 19:26:50 GMT -6
How would the depth affect the run game ? What run plays would work with this depth ?
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Post by hawkfan on Apr 23, 2008 6:53:16 GMT -6
In the bowl game vs. Arkansas, it didn't seem to affect the run game at all! ;D
They still ran everything a normal depth spread team would run...zone, dart, counter, and draw. They also ran some jet, and several screens that they use basically as running plays.
It seems counter-intuitive to put your backs that deep, but as long as you block the attempted run-throughs, you can be successful with it. Personally, I think Arkansas's defensive game plan was horrible in the bowl game. It's not like Tony Temple was breaking tackles in his runs...there was NOBODY around him as he cut through their defense like a hot knife through butter. Missouri's OL got their double teams where they needed, then got to the 2nd level and made the secondary make a whole bunch of tackles.
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Post by kurtbryan on Apr 23, 2008 7:53:24 GMT -6
We borrowed some of their philosophy and scheme in the development of our offense, and at least one of our players in the backfield must be with his heels at 7-yds.
1. It is great for Pass Pro - people thought our QB was going to get drilled all night long - just the opposite happened because it is really tough on DL/DE to constantly do 8 - 10 yd. Get Offs and chase the ball carrier all over the backfield.
2. With the super-spread OL and max spread formations, it creates massive running lanes and is also easier on shorter QB's Lines of Sight for the passing game
7-yds. Deep in the Gun works well.
KB
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Post by spartan74 on Apr 23, 2008 9:32:54 GMT -6
thier offensive philosophy is very different than most. but after listening to them speak it makse sense. they start with big spilts up fornt to create natural running lanes. You then add in the fact the qb and rb and 7 yards deep it give them time to read the defensive players and allows the runningback to see the holes open easier.
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Post by gunrun on Apr 24, 2008 5:39:32 GMT -6
I was under the impression from listening to the Air Raid guys that the wide splits make it difficult to run zone and that you should run man schemes with your run game. Is it possible to get combo blocks with such wide splits?
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Post by airraider on Apr 24, 2008 8:13:42 GMT -6
we are at 7 with toes.. We are exclusively empty and anything closer is too close to me..
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Post by spartan74 on Apr 24, 2008 17:11:26 GMT -6
I thought it would be tought to run with the wide splits as well. but we got their dvd's and in thier game film they seem to have no problems. A lot of ther schemes are zone blocking. It helps to have the athletes they have
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Post by midlineqb on Apr 25, 2008 15:24:44 GMT -6
If you play with Federation rules it would eliminate teeing off on the center because of the QBs depth.
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Post by dubber on Apr 25, 2008 17:21:03 GMT -6
we are at 7 with toes.. We are exclusively empty and anything closer is too close to me.. Any adjustments for quick game? |
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