htownoc
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Post by htownoc on Apr 16, 2008 9:28:32 GMT -6
I have two situations that have made me think about ethics recently. I am curious to others opinion on these issues.
1. A graduating senior brings me a form to refer him to a college. The player had been a discipline case his entire high school career. We suspended him from three games his senior season and the basketball coach threw him off of the basketball team. My question is, how directly/bluntly do you handle the referral? Is there anything unethical toward the player by being painfully honest?
2. A player transferred to another area H.S. in December. I am now starting to receive recruiting mail addressed to him. What would you do with the letters? Is it my responsiblity to take time away from my players to track down a ship-jumper?
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Post by fatkicker on Apr 16, 2008 10:17:13 GMT -6
situation #1
never lie for a player.....it's your reputation on the line....not his.......if a college coach catches you in a lie, he'll never recruit from you again....
situation #2
if he's not "in-house" it's his own problem.......maybe keep the letters in a back folder somewhere in case he comes by........but i certainly wouldn't go looking for him......we all know how much those recruiting letters are worth.....heck, i got 'em in high school too.....if he's good enough, they'll find him......
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Post by dubber on Apr 16, 2008 10:34:08 GMT -6
1--honesty is always the best policy. The kid was a jerk, he shouldn't expect favors from you.
2--Get in touch with the kid and get him the mail.
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Post by morris on Apr 16, 2008 10:58:31 GMT -6
1: Be honest but watch how you say it.
2: I am sure you know what H.S he transfer too so either A) forward it or B) return to sender/notify the schools through email or something that the player is no longer there. I do not see where either one of those options are taking that much time away from your kids.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 16, 2008 11:06:36 GMT -6
Sit 1- Explain to the kid how his actions have brought about the current consequences (you can't highly recommend him on character issues). Is the recommendation for college, or to play football at a college. If it is to play football, and he has talent..you could tell the player that you would write about his abilities, and add the caveat that he has other issues.
Sit 2- I don't think it takes a ton of effort to call the other school's AD or HFC..and say " Bob is getting recruiting mail from X, Y, Z schools sent over here. You or Bob might want to contact those schools and give him the updated info"
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Post by thunder17 on Apr 16, 2008 11:08:32 GMT -6
Going with dcohio on this. Situation 1- Not only will the college coach think you're a jack@#% but you will also hose all of your players that might be good enough to play for that coach in the future. He probably won't come knockin' again. Situation 2- Was it a physical move (dad has a new job) or did the kid go from St. Billy's to St. Bob's. Depends on the situation.
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Post by fatkicker on Apr 16, 2008 11:53:33 GMT -6
we had #1 happen to us this year.....
best receiver i've ever seen...........if you throw it anywhere...and i mean ANYWHERE......he will catch it......blindfolded, in the dark, one handed, in his mouth.....doesn't matter.....
college coach called about him i said he's the best player i've ever seen........and he's also the biggest @$$ i've ever coached.......doesn't work hard in practice, had to run him constantly to justify starting him (i wouldn't have even played him.....but i'm a peon.....not my call)
he's got 1 jr college offer because of his poor attitude and the word got out on him....
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Post by airman on Apr 16, 2008 12:01:53 GMT -6
I would tell the truth in situation number 1.
I would do as I would want done onto me if I were in the situation. if you would want some one to forward you information, then I would forward it. if you could careless if some one does not forward you your bills for example, then do not forward it.
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Post by spartancoach on Apr 16, 2008 13:11:25 GMT -6
1. As stated.
2. Forward the mail.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Apr 16, 2008 13:42:47 GMT -6
1. Tell him you're going to write the truth, brief him on your version of the truth, and see if he still wants you to write that letter.
2. Make one decent attempt go contact him or his new coach. Tell them they can pick the letters up at a designated time(s). If that fails, throw them in the corner and don't worry about it again.
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Post by rideanddecide on Apr 16, 2008 13:48:24 GMT -6
1. Never lie. Stretch truth in appropriate circumstances, but you can't lie.
2. Give letter to the office, ask them to mail it to the other HS.
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 16, 2008 20:07:50 GMT -6
I have two situations that have made me think about ethics recently. I am curious to others opinion on these issues. 1. A graduating senior brings me a form to refer him to a college. The player had been a discipline case his entire high school career. We suspended him from three games his senior season and the basketball coach threw him off of the basketball team. My question is, how directly/bluntly do you handle the referral? Is there anything unethical toward the player by being painfully honest? 2. A player transferred to another area H.S. in December. I am now starting to receive recruiting mail addressed to him. What would you do with the letters? Is it my responsiblity to take time away from my players to track down a ship-jumper? I'm a lawyer by trade. So I'll give some input from that perspective. Sit 1: If you can't say anything nice, and don't want to lie, then refuse to give write the letter at all. In today's legal climate, if you write something that will hurt him, even if true, he could make life tough on you even if you won a law suit. Just the world we live in. Tough deal that you can't warn the unsuspecting...but you can't and not expect trouble for your efforts. Sit 2: No obligation, but I'd try to forward it with minimal effort. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 20, 2008 12:33:45 GMT -6
I agree with auburn 100%
1. Don't write the letter at all.
2. The student no longer attends your school, if it is the classic one size fits all recruiting letter you can return to sender or discard.
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Post by chaz111 on Apr 20, 2008 18:56:31 GMT -6
I am going to be unpopular on this one.
#1 If he was so bad then why didn't you kick him off the team? He must have been OK. I have been faced with this before. I will not lie but I will say what's positive about the kid. But I do feel that if this kid played for a few years and you let him wear the uniform the last time then you owe him something other than a boot off a cliff. If he was kicked off then he is on his own.
All that being said if he is trashing your program to other kids or being a jerk to you know then all bets are off. Don't get me wrong there have been a couple in my 20 years that I would not pi** on if they where on fire. And I am more angry at myself for selfishly trying to squeeze out some wins from talented numbskulls then I am at them.
#2 Email makes it so easy to just do one email to the schools recruiting him and tell them he is not there. But I would not second guess for 1 second if you threw his stuff in the trash.
All JMHO.
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coacher
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Post by coacher on Apr 20, 2008 19:11:00 GMT -6
1. Don't lie.
2. Email the new coach to tell the player that you have been receiving mail for him and if he wants it he can come to your office and pick it up directly from you.
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