jamesmthomson
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Post by jamesmthomson on Apr 15, 2008 14:04:42 GMT -6
Hey guys,
My co-line coach and I are disagreeing on something and I want to get your take on it. As part of our summer camp program, our kids run bleachers twice a week. The whistle blows at 7:45 AM and they are off and running with four coaches supervising. It is a kick-ass, difficult thing that they all do together and it typically lasts about 30 mins.
My co-line coach is of the opinion that it is too hard on the knees of some of the bigger guys and thinks that they should be excused for all or part of it and rather go drive the sled at a high tempo, rep-after-rep sort of deal. At first I was neutral toward the idea but I think now I am against it, mainly because I don't want them to be perceived as doing something easier than their teammates, I like the team-building and encouragement that goes on with the bleacher-running and because I question whether they will actually get as good of a workout on the sled and if not will it actually be of any major benefit to them.
Now, that being said, where would you guys stand on it?
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Post by coachorr on Apr 15, 2008 14:21:14 GMT -6
Maybe to make it even, give the smaller players weighted vests.
I think the line coach is right on, doing a sport and player specific workout.
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Post by spartan74 on Apr 15, 2008 18:54:37 GMT -6
I think that if you want all the players to run stairs have them all run. I was a linemen my whole life and running stairs sucks but you make it through it.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 15, 2008 19:08:30 GMT -6
Hi intensity low rest reps on the sled will kick their butts A GREAT DEAL more than running bleachers.
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Post by phantom on Apr 15, 2008 19:09:32 GMT -6
Hey guys, My co-line coach and I are disagreeing on something and I want to get your take on it. As part of our summer camp program, our kids run bleachers twice a week. The whistle blows at 7:45 AM and they are off and running with four coaches supervising. It is a kick-ass, difficult thing that they all do together and it typically lasts about 30 mins. My co-line coach is of the opinion that it is too hard on the knees of some of the bigger guys and thinks that they should be excused for all or part of it and rather go drive the sled at a high tempo, rep-after-rep sort of deal. At first I was neutral toward the idea but I think now I am against it, mainly because I don't want them to be perceived as doing something easier than their teammates, I like the team-building and encouragement that goes on with the bleacher-running and because I question whether they will actually get as good of a workout on the sled and if not will it actually be of any major benefit to them. Now, that being said, where would you guys stand on it? When you talk about summer camp are you talking about actual practice (2-a-days) or summer, pre-practice conditioning? If it's actual practice I think that 30 minutes twice a week is too much time to spend on conditioning. Regardless of size or position running down a steep grade is hard on knees, IMO, and adds little in terms of conditioning. Why not let them all walk down the stairs at a fair pace? |
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Post by brophy on Apr 15, 2008 19:14:38 GMT -6
I would make them all run stairs.
If I had to defer, I'd make the OLine JUMP ROPE.
That would help the linemen more than drive blocking (something they will do plenty of).
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Post by bigtimefan on Apr 15, 2008 21:30:55 GMT -6
I don't have a problem with the stairs once in a while. I also feel they should be working ladder drills, dot drills, shuttle runs, get offs, Med ball throws etc. I am a firm believer of core work and explosion.
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jamesmthomson
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Post by jamesmthomson on Apr 15, 2008 23:33:35 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies. I am talking about our early summer camp, not 2-a-days. In CA you can't wear pads during this time.
As I expected, the responses were varied.
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Post by rideanddecide on Apr 16, 2008 6:02:24 GMT -6
Hey guys, I question whether they will actually get as good of a workout on the sled and if not will it actually be of any major benefit to them. Have you ever pushed a sled for 1/2 hour? Personal opinion says I wouldn't do any single exercise for 30 minutes. Mix it up. |
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Post by jamesmthomson on Apr 16, 2008 6:53:49 GMT -6
Right, but we have a five man sled and 20 offensive lineman, which means that each guy only is involved for 1/4 of the reps.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 16, 2008 7:56:42 GMT -6
Right, but we have a five man sled and 20 offensive lineman, which means that each guy only is involved for 1/4 of the reps. Thats ok. 5 guys pushing it for 10 seconds max effort...and getting 45 -55 seconds rest between max efforts... over a 30 minute span is going to tax them a great deal more than running stairs. Go try yourself if you want to experience it. And if that still isn't good enough for you, you could set up a mini circuit...group 1 pushes sled 10 second period... sprints off of sled at whistle to the side, and proceeds to do squat thrusts for duration of the second group on the sled..recover during groups 3 and 4... repeat. Keep in mind, 30 minutes of "Stairs" is not developing the same energy system that is used during a football game. |
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 16, 2008 8:04:04 GMT -6
Skill specific and variety are two things we try to keep in mind. Why not create a circuit with the sled, stairs and jump rope? If you have 30 minutes break it up into 3 x 10 minute sessions. They won't do 10 minutes straight but with proper rest and exercise intervals, I think you could put together a very good workout experience.
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Post by coachaaron on Apr 16, 2008 9:07:34 GMT -6
See if you can get some old loader tires as well, flipping the tires in one of the most functional conditioners (short of actual football practice) that you can do.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Apr 16, 2008 9:26:08 GMT -6
Why not run a hill? Hills don't have the impact on knees like stairs, and you still get the benefit. Of course you have to have a hill nearby heh.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 20, 2008 12:25:39 GMT -6
Coach make them run the field and do a conditioning excerise in each corner, and the knee problem is solved.
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Post by safetycoach34 on Apr 20, 2008 12:32:08 GMT -6
make them run the stairs. we did it in college and the guys came together to push everyone to finish. If i had my way i would put everybody through a similar workout. The guys will come together to push each other
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 20, 2008 12:35:37 GMT -6
I don't think hills versus Stadium steps makes that much difference. The surface is not as much of an issue as are the number of "contacts" and the rest intervals between sets.
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Post by los on Apr 20, 2008 15:00:05 GMT -6
I like the combo of 3 good things I heard, (plus lots of bag and cone drills).....Broph= jumping rope..... D-5085= multiple short conditioning bursts on the sled....Golden Bear= hills(made of sand or dirt)....a tired, maybe not as coordinated, big guy..... miss stepping on stairs or steps..... ouch...argh....the thought of it makes me nervous?
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Post by ajreaper on Apr 20, 2008 19:52:12 GMT -6
Mimic what they'll do in games- drive the sled for 5 seconds then rest for 25 and repeat. Conditioning should reflect what they do in games period.
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