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Post by clintonb12 on Apr 10, 2008 19:39:20 GMT -6
What do you think would be harder to defend?
A power running wishbone team that also runs triple option
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A triple option flexbone team that runs power?
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Post by towtheline on Apr 10, 2008 19:46:00 GMT -6
the latter
do you coach at clinton oklahoma?
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Post by jjkuenzel on Apr 10, 2008 22:28:58 GMT -6
Wishbone that runs triple
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Post by Yash on Apr 10, 2008 22:56:38 GMT -6
I think the flexbone because the 4 verts threat is there.
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Post by lochness on Apr 11, 2008 8:54:47 GMT -6
Power wishbone because they can pound you when they want using the power game and dazzle you when they want using the option, and there's no formation tendancies etc. Do you pack down hard to stop the power game, or do you stay a bit more horizontal to stop the option?
Power running is always more difficult to defend than "the threat of 4 verticals" in my humble opinion.
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Post by newb on Apr 11, 2008 12:06:45 GMT -6
IMO flexbone is much harder to defend.
1. Allows for more speed to be utilized i.e. rocket toss.
2. Better blocking angles for HB from the slot position.
3. Spreads the defense so they cannot load the the box.
4. Secondary cannot play run support.....they can but they'll pay dearly for it.
5. Very good passing element
6. Defense can key motion, but if they do they open themselves up even more.
7. More gaps for the defense to defend.
8. Extremely hard to duplicate on scout team.
9. Power game is still there with only minor adjustments.
10. More formation possibilites which means more of a chance for a numbers advantage.
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Post by airman on Apr 11, 2008 12:51:22 GMT -6
it all depends on your level of fear.
do you fear throwing the ball? if so, the power wishbone if for you.
do you fear pitching the ball? If so, the power wishbone is for you.
I personally think it is harder to defend a navy style set then a power wishbone. power wishbone all you need to do is play a 10 man front cause you know if they try and throw the ball it is duck hunting season.
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Post by lochness on Apr 11, 2008 13:03:30 GMT -6
I guess it's a matter of perspective for me.
The flexbone is much harder to defend on paper, with all of the possibilities, etc. There's no doubt about that...
On the field however, when it's 11 players vs. my 11 players, I find a strong and well-coached power wishbone team that also runs triple option MUCH harder to deal with. On paper, they are very easy to defend, but the reality of men vs. men is somewhat different.
I guess I should qualify my statement by saying that "A Power Wishbone team that has the proper personnel for that kind of offense is much harder to defend" and further clarify that by "defend," I mean line up and execute against athlete on athlete. I do not mean "draw up a good scheme against."
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Post by airman on Apr 11, 2008 13:08:55 GMT -6
I guess it's a matter of perspective for me. The flexbone is much harder to defend on paper, with all of the possibilities, etc. On the field, when it's 11 players vs. my 11 players, I find a strong and well-coached power wishbone team that also runs triple option MUCH harder to deal with. On paper, they are very easy to defend, but the reality of men vs. men is somewhat different. most power wishbone teams however do not want to run the triple option. most run the belly option or they make is a qb/fb game. while this can be very hard to defend, you do kind of know they are not going to go outside much. just my opinion. I went to a university which ran a power wishbone and they made the trasnsition to the flexbone to create more options and now they are a oneback zone run team which throws the ball 20 to 30 times a game and runs 30 to 40 times a game. |
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Post by ccscoach on Apr 11, 2008 13:14:10 GMT -6
Flexbone is tougher to defend then the wishbone.
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Post by mwpilots on Apr 11, 2008 15:14:53 GMT -6
A good coach that knows what he is doing will know how to mix both and he will be impossible to stop.This is why you can go to the broken bone and mix it up. I personally favor the wishbone and I think running triple option to the weak side is a back-breaker after being pounded with power and having ankles broken from counters and having your aggression taken away by belly plays. Besides, sometimes flexbone coaches start to get "cute" and take on the personality of a spread team and the power game gets away from them.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 11, 2008 15:28:57 GMT -6
Good question here is my 2 cents:
I think the flexbone as a formation and all the thing an offense can do from it is tougher to defend than the wishbone in termso f making sure your defenders are lined up right and read the right keys. We have lost to a flexbone team each of the last two seasons that runs the triple/midline/ and throws 4 verts. THey a &^$%# to defend. Here IMO the trick is making sure you are lined up right and reading the right keys.
Now the power team from the bone that also runs triple is more demoralizing if you can't stop them. If you are in the bone you are in it for a reason. That reason is you want to pound people and are usually good at doing it. Why else run the bone? You don't run that formation for run-pass balance. Your only concern for balance in the bone is running left vs right, outside vs up the gut and off tackle etc.
So all things being equal I guess I would rather face the flexbone team b/c they are probably trying to play more finesse football as opposed to beating the tar out of my boys.
But what do I know.......I have never lost to a wishbone team......and have a 2-4 record vs teams that us the flexbone as thier base formation! (3 of those 4 losses the team that beat us could have lined up in whatever they wanted to and practiced it in the pregame for the first time and beaten us so take it for what its worth).
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Post by colonolsanders on Apr 11, 2008 19:46:21 GMT -6
I would much rather a team throw it. I want, and will stop the run. If you can't do that, it makes for a long, LONG night and/or season. There are equalizers, such as tendencies, in the passing game that will better your chances, and lower your opponents in certain situations.
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 11, 2008 19:55:49 GMT -6
FLEXBONE creates more gaps to defend...but motion dictate the play.
WISHBONE creates great power game without motion but only two immediate threats for passing.
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Post by bighit65 on Apr 12, 2008 9:47:38 GMT -6
I played in a spread wishbone that passed for 2400 yds 29 tds and also amassed 2900 rushing yards running the triple option. You can pass out of the wishbone. Our leading receiver was our right tailback. You just have to scheme it correctly.
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Post by raiderpirates on Apr 13, 2008 7:01:20 GMT -6
Exactly bighit, the Wishbone can pass, just like the DW, lots of WCO looks to the flats, drive routes, etc.
The way teams stack the line your main concern might be trying to get a clean release for certain players. You can flex one of the two WB backs out and still run HB leads or bucks, options and extend the gap count for the D line. Flex the back out to the same side as your other back and create an overload where you can free up the pitch man since most teams are now coached to drill the QB. Now you can flood the flats that way as well with high/low combos on the OLB and still run a divide on the S to the tight side, you can NCAA the wide side and shoot it off a wing hitch.
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Post by unc31 on Apr 13, 2008 10:37:16 GMT -6
I think that the wingbone/flexbone is tougher to defend schematically, but not physically. From many years of experience I can say that although the flexbone spreads you more horizontally and vertically due to 4 vertical threats, the sheer physicality of a "GOOD" wishbone team can be demoralizing and very tough to stop. Lots of bodies at the point of attack, double teams are more prevalent and misdirection without the use of motion to tip it off, all make the bone a beast.
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