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Post by shotfollow on Apr 9, 2008 22:49:41 GMT -6
Guys - how many of you are OL coaches and the OC. (call actual plays).
Looking for feedback. Likes / dislikes -- any inform
Does the OC have to be the QB coach?
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ramsoc
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Post by ramsoc on Apr 9, 2008 23:03:32 GMT -6
Nope. The last OC I worked for was the OL coach and I'm handing my play calling duties over to my OL coach this year.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Apr 10, 2008 4:24:54 GMT -6
OC here.
OC doesnt have to be a QB coach. You better have a good OL coach if nothing else
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Post by CoachBrink on Apr 10, 2008 5:32:56 GMT -6
OL Coach and OC
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Post by rideanddecide on Apr 10, 2008 6:11:30 GMT -6
The only concern I would have with the OL coach calling plays is he doesn't get the opportunity very often to work with QBs in the passing game.
With that said, if you believe the run game is the focus of your offense, then your OL coach could be a darn good OC.
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Post by lochness on Apr 10, 2008 6:33:03 GMT -6
I've been an OC for nearly my whole career, and I've always been a backfield coach. That being said, I've worked with the same OL coach all that time, and he's pretty darn good, so maybe that is why!
The only reason I'd argue against being the OL coach is that, as the OC, I'd want to be there for installation on the spacing hoses (RB's and QB's) and also for pass installation on air and 7-on-7, which you miss if you are down with the hawgs.
I basically get to see everyone perform in a progression.
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Post by morris on Apr 10, 2008 9:19:49 GMT -6
OC and now OL coach. I see it both ways and it seems there are more OL/OC now then in the past. Or I could just be seeing them for the first time. As an OC I would love to coach all of the positions but you just can not do that. I like the fact that one of th eguys that use to do OL is now doing the backs. Brings a little different attitude to their end fo practice.
Now something I thought was strange was when we went to a college to watch them practice their OC never called a play. He was their OL coach but the QB coach signaled in all the plays. The OC was no where near him. I am sure they worked off a script but I did not see one.
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Post by veerraid on Apr 10, 2008 9:36:45 GMT -6
I am OC and Oline coach. When I was DC (5 years prior to last season), I was still the Oline coach (small school) and the OC ran everything by me for my thoughts first.
A big concern as the oline coach and oc last season was the passing game. However, through meeetings, we cover the details and keep on the same page as a staff. I am lucky, however, I have an assistant oline coach (volunteer) that I can give the line to if I need to cover something specific on the field, or questions arise that were not covered for some reason - usually a case of some situation we did not think of during meetings that arises on the field. (I would recommend an assistant oline coach if you have the ability).
Being on both sides, I have found that the biggest key is communication among the staff, regardless off your position. If the staff is on the same page, then it does not matter the position that "coordinators" coach. I feel, that on a good staff, the OC/DC title is nothing more than window dressing for the resume. All coaches should have input into the gameplan and system. The only thing that is different is who calls the plays on game night (and even then, I always welcome suggestions from the staff - just not during time that I am already making a call).
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 10, 2008 9:42:16 GMT -6
My first few years as OC I was OL coach. It definitely was more difficult because I believe your OC needs to be able to float around a bit throughout the year, and this is darn near impossible as the OL needs so much more attention (5 players on the field at one time) than say QB (1 on the field).
I had much more success as an OC when I found a great OL guy to take over for me and moved to coaching QBs and/or WR.
Either way can be done, but just be sure you have a good coach in that other position.
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Post by cookiemonster on Apr 10, 2008 10:11:08 GMT -6
I see time as a major issue when you have to be the OL/OC. Both jobs require so much time that I believe it is almost impossible to give both justice. guys that can get it done I tip my hat to you but my experience is if it is OL/OC the head coach calls the plays and is using the OC money to take care of his OL guy because he knows how tough that job can be.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 10, 2008 18:22:51 GMT -6
You can coach anyone,
I have been the OC and WR Coach doesn't make a difference, coach what you need. QB and OL just happen to be the 2 most important spots on offense. You need good ones. Like lochness, if you have a good OL Coach, then you can pick where you coach.
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Post by resnik77 on Apr 11, 2008 7:31:10 GMT -6
I am OC and OL coach. I find it important to be with the lineman because no matter how good your QB is, if he doesn't have a line in front of him it won't matter. I also have an assistant OL coach who can take of the OL if I need to be elsewhere during practice. I also think it is important to have great communication with the other coaches on the offensive side of the ball. As long as we're all on the same page we'll be fine. In my case, the QB coach is my right hand man. I on the phones with him on game night, so we're usually on the same page.
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Post by olcoach on Apr 11, 2008 12:22:32 GMT -6
Have been the OLine coach for years and assumed the OC position this past season. Did not see this as a problem. Our Offensive staff is great and communication is definately the key, game planning and getting on the right page makes things go so much easier.
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Post by airman on Apr 11, 2008 12:41:12 GMT -6
believe it or not this was the down fall of florida state. when the old ball coach hired his son as the oc, he still coached wr and the qb had to meet at different times with him. the qb coach had to talk with bowden jr before he could do any thing.
This is why jumbo fisher has total control of the offense. he works with the qb.
I figure it this way, I can teach a oline guy to do what I want to do but I need to work with the qb and wrs if I am going to pass the ball
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Post by spartan74 on Apr 12, 2008 14:35:01 GMT -6
I am the HC and the o line coach our RB coach is also our OC. I beleive it is easier for him to call plays he works with the running back and the qb everyday. He gets a good idea what the skilled players are comfortable with each week and we make sure that what I do with the o-line works with the game plan each week.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 12, 2008 14:56:39 GMT -6
I figure it this way, I can teach a oline guy to do what I want to do but I need to work with the qb and wrs if I am going to pass the ball I think this is the crux of the discussion... along with answering the question "how much decision making must my qb do?" How much do the QB and the OC have to be "in synch" versus how much does the QB just have to execute what he is told to do. |
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 12, 2008 15:05:27 GMT -6
Does it really matter? Doesn't it really come down to circumstance and the individual in any of the scenarios?
I can see why being the OC and OL coach would have it's benefits as the O is only going to go as far as the OL will take it.
I'm a HC/OC/QB coach - I spend a great deal of time with my OL coach as well as my other position coaches.
"What can we do?" "What works best?" "How will we adjust to....?"
I think an OC/OL, or a OC/WR or a OC/RB coach could do just as well as long as they are communicating with their staff.
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