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Post by coach79 on Nov 30, 2007 1:02:48 GMT -6
How many of you coaches run multiple formations with a few plays? Does it work for you? do the kids remember the different formations?
-Brett
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Post by davecisar on Nov 30, 2007 6:48:34 GMT -6
It all depends on the age group and experience level of the kids. Here is what Ive done of late: age 7-9 all rookies: 12 plays 3 formations age 10-11 mostly vets: 19 plays 7 formations age 8-10 1/2 and 1/2; 17 plays 5 formations age 8-10 1/3 vets; 16 plays 4 formations age 8-10 all rookies 12 plays 3 formations age 8-10 1/2 and 1/2 14 plays 4 formations age 8-10 all rookies 11 plays 2 formations age 6-8 all rookies: 6 plays one formation You asked how we did, combined 78-5 We just tag the formation if it was anything other than our base Single Wing Set. Like 31 trap out of our spread set would just be "Jet 31 Trap" As long as you dont waste a bunch of practice time on non football stuff, yes they remember it just fine.
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Dec 6, 2007 0:20:46 GMT -6
I coached 8 and 9 year olds I ran two formations and color named them ex. blue left and blue right, we ran the offset I and the kids could remember about 6 plays on each formation mostly runs and a few passes. None of our kids had played football before we had some good games and some bad at execution. We lost all of our games. I don't blame the kids I blame the inexperience in coaching and not really knowing what to do. It was the first year of our program and was new to everyone. Every game my kids got better. Our last game was a playoff game since everyone at the C level went to the playoffs. We played the #3 seed held them to 19 points at the half. And only one TD in the second. It was the best game we played all year. But we couldn't ,move the ball well against them and couldn't contain the defensive line. My o-line simply would not block. But I believe that my kids can hold 3-5 formations and a few more plays if necessary as long as you stick with one set of terminology to keep it simple. Next season I will have a better plan , more fundamentals and more organized practice with some help at coaching . Most of what I learned I learned the hard way. I am not a expert coach so I don't have room to talk but I will say all the coaches here are great and I for one am so happy I have read all this great stuff and got to interact with some great football minds.
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Post by davecisar on Dec 6, 2007 9:18:30 GMT -6
Coach,
Too many formations and too many plays probably played a huge part in your teams performance. In 2002 my age 8-10 team had just 6 plays, but we executed them perfectly all out of one formation and went 11-1. First year kids.
There are even HS team that run 4-6 plays and thats it. no need to run a little of everyting fair, run a handful of stuff perfectly.
Even my experienced teams run less than 20 plays.
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Dec 6, 2007 12:02:40 GMT -6
After reading quite a bit and advice from all the coaches I agree with using too many plays. Next year I am going to be a little better prepared. And with a clear picture on what I am doing from day one.
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Post by eaglecoach on Dec 6, 2007 13:10:51 GMT -6
I run and pass out of four different formations and it's not been a problem. We run out of the I, Power I, Pro-set (some shotgun) & Tee. For the OL it's the same regardless of the formation. It's the QB, WR, TE and RBs that adjust. It's been amazing to me how well the players adapt and learn when you explain it's the same play from a slightly different formation. The players laugh when I call the same play three or four times in a row, out of different formations, all resulting in positive yards.
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Dec 6, 2007 16:59:25 GMT -6
Well thats what I meant when I said the two formations and 6 plays strong left.strong right not different just 6 to the left and the same to the right. I tried and tried and tried to teach how to block and play to the whistle I just had some timid kids and a big fullback and a quick TB but my O-line rarely did their job. But as for next year older kids a little bigger and some experience from this last season. I agree with Coach Ciser about to many plays but I think if you can do a base set perfect and go from there is what I will aim for.
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Post by CatsCoach on Dec 29, 2007 10:30:59 GMT -6
We only had 3 formation and only ran about 5 different run plays and 2 pass plays. We were able to make slight adjustments base on the D we faced but nothing major and the blocking rules for the O-line stayed the same(ex. normally we would run 36 lead, might just have to adjust and run 34 lead base on the D). Also made a slight formation adjustment durning the playoffs.
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Post by burtledog on Dec 29, 2007 15:58:07 GMT -6
new coach: What age and what system and formations?
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Post by CatsCoach on Dec 31, 2007 14:47:07 GMT -6
new coach: What age and what system and formations? The kids where 10-12(most where 11 and we had one 9 year old). We ran out of an off-set I with a wing. We just called strong left or right and we use the wishbone. Those where are 3 formations. For the playoff we just split the wing out wide. And really we run off-tackle, sweep and a counter back away from the wing to the FB. That is about it, very simple!!
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Post by 2leegit on Jan 1, 2008 8:22:09 GMT -6
I was up late last night after the New Year watching the 1969 Rose Bowl with Ohio State vs. USC. Ohio State used only two formations the whole game. The used slot I formation and the straight T. USC used the slot I and one single back formation when they wanted to throw. They both ran the same few running plays and ran playaction passes from those plays. Now if this limited playbook worked for Woody Hayes and John McKay why are we youth coaches trying to teach 8 formations and 50 plays with less practice time and a 8 or 10 minute clock game clock with 25 to 30 players? I removed some things out of my playbook last week. After watching this game I will be removing even more things. Execution was the thing that stood out to me when watching that game early this morning. USC had the veteren team that featured OJ Simpson. Ohio State had 15 sophmore starters on that team. Jack Tatum was one of the starters on that tough O State Defense. Ohio State executed better. The fullback belly lead from the T and the TB lead from the slot I chewed up yards all night. LESS IS BETTER.
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Post by schultbear74 on Jan 1, 2008 8:32:39 GMT -6
There is a bit of wisdom here for all levels of coaching. KISS
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Post by los on Jan 1, 2008 11:54:52 GMT -6
Ha Ha, good stuff.... John Mckay's basic trio of TB blast, Toss sweep and play action passing, with a little misdirection thrown in... was the basis of our youth offense for years. Although mostly dbl. tight, we did occasionally run the pro-set, but most formation changes were by the "Z" backs position. You could show multiple formations or motion, by just moving (1) player... i.e. wing-I, nasty slot, split "z" or full house backfield. Pretty simple in application, while leaving more time for the really hard work....teaching fundamentals and execution.
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Post by lochness on Jan 2, 2008 9:32:47 GMT -6
Ha Ha, good stuff.... John Mckay's basic trio of TB blast, Toss sweep and play action passing, with a little misdirection thrown in... was the basis of our youth offense for years. Although mostly dbl. tight, we did occasionally run the pro-set, but most formation changes were by the "Z" backs position. You could show multiple formations or motion, by just moving (1) player... i.e. wing-I, nasty slot, split "z" or full house backfield. Pretty simple in application, while leaving more time for the really hard work....teaching fundamentals and execution. In terms of changing formations with the Z, that's exactly what we did in my 3 years at the youth level. We ran double TE "I" and "splitbacks" and moved the Z all over the place using a slot numbering formation system. Very simple to get into multiple looks without having to change much of anything. It was also consistent with what the HS program was doing.
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Post by dlc1914 on Feb 14, 2008 20:57:38 GMT -6
Do you consider tackle over calls as being different formations? If not, our 7-9 yo's used about 3-4 formations and had about 15 plays. OL responsibilities were basically the same across the board which made it easier to move the skill players around.
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Post by CatsCoach on Feb 15, 2008 12:42:27 GMT -6
Do you consider tackle over calls as being different formations? If not, our 7-9 yo's used about 3-4 formations and had about 15 plays. OL responsibilities were basically the same across the board which made it easier to move the skill players around. Good question coach! I don't think that I consider tackle over another formation. We didnt do tackle over, we would move the gaurd(same concept of course).
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Post by tiger46 on Feb 16, 2008 11:09:30 GMT -6
I coached 9>10yr olds. Mix of vets & rookies. We only used two formations. This year, the team make-up will be about the same. I want to use 7 formations besides our base SW. We'll run the same plays out of those formations. Of course, that's only if the kids can handle the changing formations. I won't introduce or waste practice time if I feel that they can't grasp it.
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Post by coachbork on Feb 19, 2008 11:09:35 GMT -6
The question is what are you gaining with multiple formations? If you don't have a specific plan for using them and checking your opponent for specific weaknesses, they just cause confusion to your own team.
For every formation you need enough offense out of it to punish the defense for any poor fundamentals. You also need enough reps to gain confidence in what you are doing.
I like one formation, max 3. I'll take confidence and competence for my guys.
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