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Post by Defcord on Mar 26, 2023 2:35:17 GMT -6
Eh, it does depend on the position. PE or social studies jobs can still be filled. Maybe the number and quality of applicants is down, but I can guarantee that principals would much rather have to find a PE or social studies teacher than SpEd, math, foreign language, or industrial arts. Our district was so hard up to keep one of our SpEd teachers from leaving that they worked out a new position for her in which she gets to work from home after lunch. That’s not going to happen with PE or social studies. My wife's school was so desperate for SpEd, they paid for her to get certified and gave her the job before she even enrolled in classes. She was the only applicant. I think we are on the verge of special education laws being appeased by having all teachers take some mandatory training sessions to be certified in special education services instead of trying to train and incentivize hiring to get enough qualified candidates. Everyone will be worse off but it will look good on paper to lawmakers. It’s purely speculation but I just don’t see any other way for the compliance of laws for delivery accommodations will be met.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 25, 2023 10:51:19 GMT -6
As a football coach, I think it’s an interesting concept to potentially benefit us (In NC that is). If it is truly based on principals discretion, then they would be able to offer high pay levels (added title in the school house to get to the higher pay level).This would allow admins who are more concerned with sports a way to compensate beyond their peers who do not care about sports. In bigger districts where things are rigid pay wise, this could offer a new avenue (or a way for one school to entice a seemingly lateral move). Would this play out like that? Who knows. There’s ways for schools to approve additional supplements and create positions already in most districts and states that I’ve worked in as a way to pay valuable members of staff. I would guess the merit based stuff has limited more salaries than it’s expanded. In theory it would be nice to be paid more than my peers on merit because I’m really good at my job so we do agree on that.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 24, 2023 6:10:41 GMT -6
It’s a terrible idea to do it if you have any choice in my experience. When I was in Indians our union advised to vote for performance pay which gave administration control over salary increases through evaluation measures and step pays were null. If you were effective or highly effective you got $2,000 performance payment but not salary increase.
So your salary would only go up with COLA raises. Unfortunately, that couldn’t be regularly scheduled and still needed board approval and was insufficient in regularly increasing teacher salaries.
On top of my bad experience we are in a major turn towards teacher shortages, which as a profession gives us the most negotiating power and leverage that we have had in years. I hope we take advantage of the position to improve retirement, work conditions and pay.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 9, 2023 12:30:17 GMT -6
I think people coaching for 20+ years is a thing of the past. Let alone in one place. This is what scares me. It’s seems to be that people just aren’t wanting to make the commitment to the profession long term as much as they used to. And I don’t think it’s a flaw in the coaches character. I think paying a few thousand dollars to a guy to work year around and deal with bullshitt just isn’t worth it to a lot of guys. My stipend is relatively decent and I still don’t think it represents the actual value of time and effort I commit to the job. I can’t imagine being a guy that makes 1500, 2500 whatever looking my wife in the eyes and trying to explain how a hundred or hundred and fifty extra dollars a month is more valuable to our family than my presence.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 8, 2023 6:18:04 GMT -6
After many years on the sideline the boss wanted me up in the booth for my last few. After the 1st game calling a game from up there my first thought was, "Holy chit it's so much easier up here." You mean I can actually see where they are lined up from the box and not have to take the word of a 16 year old kid or some coach in the box who doesn't know a 3 tech from a triple cheeseburger? Deal. I will now forever associate a single cheeseburger as a 1 tech, a double as a 2 tech and a triple as a 3 tech. I do not care if no one else knows what I am talking about.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 6, 2023 13:36:02 GMT -6
As a DC I like to be about 12-15 yards behind the defense so I can see what my guys are seeing. Plus it allows the corner and safety to communicate with me between plays pretty easily. I coach DBs so we have the strongest connection and I use them to get calls, adjustments and messages into to the whole.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 6, 2023 7:52:48 GMT -6
I actually don’t know how are stipends are set up. Mine this year was around $7000.
I was defensive coordinator, offensive line coach and also worked with the subvarsity defense and called it on Thursday nights.
It was a lot of time. I was noting out all 11 defensive players and the 5 offensive linemen practices Monday to Wednesdays and for games. 16 guys is a lot to evaluate and We just don’t have guys that will take the time to watch and note practice on the defensive ball so I had to do it if it was going to be done.
On top of this I did all the defensive stats, all scout cards and practice planning on defense, hudl film uploading, painted the practice field weekly, fed the boys breakfast on Fridays.
I actually enjoy the work but that $7000 stipend just isn’t very much money compared to the job. I legitimately did the work of two and a half average coaches so it feels like the stipend was actually more like $3000.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 4, 2023 9:46:25 GMT -6
Both HS HCs I’ve worked for have been great and one MS one was too The MS HC let me call plays when I was 20 and really kinda let me just do my own thing with the 7th grade team while he ran the 8th. Still the most fun I’ve had in a year coaching. Coaching sub varsity is SO under rated. Getting to be the guy without having to BE the guy allows for so much growth. I wish I had gotten to do year 8/9/13 when I was just starting out. Maybe I was too young and stupid then to actually gain something being a sub varsity coach, but those years I had the most growth. I really would like to move back down. I think middle school football is the perfect retirement plan. My first year coaching was 8th grade head coach. We practiced Monday to Wednesday 3:00-4:30 and played games at 5:00 on Thursdays. No requirements Friday. I still helped with varsity after practice and on varsity because I was young and wanted to learn. But when I finally want to slow down that schedule would be perfect to stay busy but also still help the program by developing the young guys.
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Post by Defcord on Mar 2, 2023 9:51:43 GMT -6
Going in the program/general procedures manual on this one "Make sure all scout cards are drawn from the perspective of the players viewing them" It's all the little details like this. One penny ain't much but 100 pennies makes a dollar... Well, we already have it on our program manual on page 1,827. If you'd give me a call I can tell you about how Darrell Royal used to set up his cards and why he was wrong. I am reading Bootleggers Boy right now and Barry Switzer talking crap about Darrell Royal is actually pretty funny. People say things are out of hand now but Royal was making public requests for Switzer and staff to take polygraphs about recruiting improprieties and Switzer did a secret on and released it publicly. Then Royal claimed it was bogus. The whole ordeal is hilarious!!!!
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Post by Defcord on Mar 1, 2023 16:39:35 GMT -6
I was OC for a guy who would "randomly" take over the offense in the red zone and put his kid in so he could dial up TDs for him. It wouldn't even have been that miserable (chitty for sure), but he killed most of our drives doing that stuff. Yeah. That’s a bad deal. I worked for a guy like that once. His kid was not a good player but the head coach would design a defensive specifically for his kid. When his kid was a sophomore, he was our starting center on the JV team. Didn’t even play defense on the JV but his dad drew up a varsity defense that had him playing MLB I felt bad for the coach and the kid they didn’t have a great relationship and dad was trying to use his position as head football coach to try and make the relationship with his son better. It never cost us any games or anything like that but it was always really awkward. When I was a head coach i hired a DC. And then had to fire him because he kept putting his kid in for our LB who was a D1 guy. His kid was a sophomore and could’ve been a decent player but he was a freak in youth ball cause he hit maturity before anyone else. That experience made the kid think he didn’t need the weight room to be great so he would either be hurt or have to make up work or not change rather than lift. Also Mom or dad both would bring him McDonalds every single day at the end of school which he would eat in the 15 minutes between last bell and first whistle. The kid was average on JV but not ready for varsity. Dad just kept putting him in every time I’d take my head set off I knew that kid was going in even though everyone behind closed doors agreed the kid wasnt ready for varsity football. Dad was a great guy. Kids loved him until his own kid got in the program. It’s really kind of sad when it’s really bad daddy ball. On the flip side of that we have a sophomore running back who’s easily the best player I’ve been on same sideline as. People complained that he got the ball too much and it’s only because his dad is a coach.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 28, 2023 13:29:11 GMT -6
The best thing I ever got from a head coach was "don't put an effing clinic on on the field!" That guy was one of my favorite guys to work for but he also would light you up every time you were wrong and sometimes when you weren't. One year we lost a kid that was 6'4 225 and like 5% body fat. The kid replacing him was like 5'11 175, majored in biology and looked like it. In the staff meeting when we were going around to recap our positions, I said I thought this new kid was going to be an upgrade because he could flat out play. Head coach looks at me and goes "are you fcking high? !!!!" I wasn't high and I ended up being right as the kid made all conference. The head coach still brings it up when I see him. I also worked for a guy on a team that was amidst a 64 game losing streak. We accounted for ten of those losses but this guy was just such a great motivator that it never felt like we were winless. It's as close of a staff as I had ever been on and it was 100% his leadership. He had our families over to his house a couple times, we would get wings as a staff. But more than that he was just a solid guy that supported his staff well when it came to getting us in good classes to teach, giving us heads up when admin was evaluating, getting us to clinics, watching film with us, etc. Ironically, when he moved on he never talked to any of us again. His wife told my wife that when he moved on he just never felt right keeping in touch with the old coaches. This was also in 2005 so it was a little harder back then. The best head coach I worked for was the best because of consistency. Everyone in the program knew exactly what to expect in everything all the time. It was awesome. Organization and consistency are so important in this thing.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 27, 2023 13:35:57 GMT -6
Georgia. If you do not show results you will get fired. You must be on your A game and also be lucky enough to have some players. I have coached in FL, GA, NC and VA. Like it's in the middle of the Great Recession, Pregnant Wife, 16 month old kid... And they fire you and your wife.... I've been lucky enough that all the high schools I have been at have either been really good or traditionally bad without expectation. But when I coached college we gave up 31 in the second half after leading 28-7 at half and 21 of those in the 4th quarter when we were leading 35-17. We lost 38-35. Sunday morning we were in our defensive meeting room and the head coach walked in and said "effing fix it or I will find someone who will!!!!" He slammed the door and left and didn't talk to us until after the next game when we got a win. I can't imagine pressure like that over the course of 20-25 or so years.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 26, 2023 10:51:30 GMT -6
I’ve coached in Indiana, NC, SC, FL and GA.
IN, SC, NC all have pockets of good football. There’s a few schools in the Indy area that are nationally relevant and the same in SC.
Florida was better than the above across the board but still outside of the areas of elite teams/regions it was underwhelming.
Football in GA was different. Definitely across the board better and more important shown by the investment the state and programs make in coaches salaries, facilities, etc.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 25, 2023 7:37:13 GMT -6
These two situations were the Ghost Of Chitty Season To Come and the Ghost of Chittier Politics To Deal With. This man-man technique was the first of many one-one closed doors "discussions" he and I had for the next three months. But, this was the only time I refused to do something his way. I made it clear that this technique wouldn't be taught while I was DC, full stop. This was the start of a bad relationship and season that damaged my professional reputation for a time. Yeah it’s not wise to tell the HC that you refuse to do something unless it’s ethically wrong I had to play this kid one time for a few plays in a game because the HC wanted him on the field somewhere and he was too dumb to play O. Kid looked like an animal but played like sh!t. We all knew he was going to flop but what the man wants the man gets. It took around 3 plays for the HC wanting him out and that’s the last I heard of it Had a situation like that once. A senior came out that had never played before. Kid looked like a million bucks but was really bad at football. It just never connected. He was a DB and Coach kept saying let’s give him a shot. I was always like Coach he gets a shot at practice four days a week and can’t do anything on scout team that looks anything like real football. A couple games in HC says “put him in now, he has to be better than what we have out there.” First play gives up a deep ball for a touchdown. Head coach “well that sucked…” Yes it did sir let me know when I can put our real guys back in. “Now, please.” Yes sir. I understand when a kid looks great you want to give him a shot but if the kid has any hope we would’ve seen signs of it at practice and then could’ve worked him in on special teams to see him In game action. Those are boxes to me that you check before just throwing a guy in. But as you said what the man wants he gets.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 24, 2023 18:52:11 GMT -6
I had hopes the HC was going to tell you to tell them to F off next time, then i remembered the subject of this thread lol
Two days later, we had the high school camp. The HC brought in a former high level college FBS LB to help out. I was teaching DBs how to play basic man-man coverage technique (five yards off, back pedal, key, break, etc...). The high level "helper" interrupted the drill because he also had a better way.
"Alright, you're gonna line up five yards deep and one yard inside of the WR. You need to find your run fit key, that's important here. Gotta have the run fit key... Don't backpedal at the snap, read your run key. If it's run, you're gonna come down hill and play the run. If it's pass, then you're going to get your eyes on the WR and match his route. Here, I'll show you what it looks like on air."
He bounces around like an an ADHD five year old who hasn't had his Ritalin, babbling the entire time. "I read run, BAM!, I redirect and make the play!". "I read pass, I look at the WR, he's running an out, BAM!, I chase the out. It's easy..."
I didn't interrupt him, given that the HC had brought him over to the drill to "help". He tried to set up a drill to replicate the skill and it was a disaster.
HC: "I want us teaching that technique this year." Me: "Coach... We can barely backpedal and read a WR's break. Much less make a run/pass read and then play man." HC: "Well, we don't have to backpedal now."
I bet that technique is stellar against play action game when your man defenders are bamming to the LOS on that run read and their receiver is streaking wide open, waving to his ugly girlfriend, waiting for the band to play and cheerleaders to start doing push-ups.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 23, 2023 8:22:51 GMT -6
I was reading 19Deltas situation in the missing practice thread about how his head coach made a season completely miserable and it got me wondering what vents we all have towards past situations we worked in.
I remember like ten years ago I was on here venting about the guy I was working for and someone posted a quote that changed my perspective for the better. "The head coach isn't always right but he is always the head coach." After that the stuff that bugged me became more bearable for the most part and I understood that most head coaches are doing their best.
I have been lucky to work for really good head coaches that were also great men for the most part. But there are times the guy in the big chair does some stuff that drives us all nuts.
The older I have gotten the only major frustration with a head coach I have worked that actually made me miserable came a few years back where three times during the season we had guys that the offensive staff told us were terrible and would never play offense. Then we got them playing fast and confident on the defensive side of the ball. Next thing you know the offense had an injury or lack of production from a kid and without full staff conversations completely stole the guys they told us sucked and also told us they couldn't play defense at all anymore. I am all for doing what is best for the team and adjusting the way we use kids, but to throw kids under the bus and then completely steal them and make that decision in the offensive staff meeting was infuriating. They also in offensive staff meeting vetoed our defensive player of the game selection that the head coach asked us to make. That one was just silly. Overall though it was really just a year where we all had to get on the same page and it was better after that year.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 22, 2023 8:43:36 GMT -6
The other one that used to drive me nuts was when they would have a blood drive at school and all of our kids would go to it so they could get out of practicing.
One year I told them I would set a date for after the season if they really wanted to give back so that way they weren't missing practice. Everyone was at practice, when the date rolled around no one wanted to hop on the bus and head to the Red Cross.
I am a big believe in donating blood and giving back, but I am not a big fan of kids using it as a way to not participate. Just another reason I hated being a head coach.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 21, 2023 19:22:51 GMT -6
Some that i've had either as a player or coach Word Series Parade Dentist appointment Doctor appointment Birthday party for someone else Overslept Girlfriend was sad My Jr year, Dan Quayle visited my hometown on the campaign trail. They had a big rally on the square. We had practice and I think a few fringe kids skipped. I was a two way starter and in retrospect, I wish I'd have gone. It would have been far more memorable than pretty much anything that happened that season. I am from one county over from Dan Quayle. You didn’t miss much. But there is a Dan Quayle museum in Huntington, IN if you need to settle your regret.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 21, 2023 5:33:08 GMT -6
Had a kid miss once on his 16th birthday to go buy a car. Car salesmen even wrote him an excuse note for practice. I laughed at that one because it was new.
The one that is maddening is kids missing to get a hair cut. Every losing program I have been in kids have missed to get hair cuts. Every winning program I have been in kids have not missed to get hair cuts.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 16, 2023 21:32:44 GMT -6
I used to coach OL and I always thought we needed more Indy time. Now I coach LBs and what it taught me is that OL coaches are a bunch if bellyachers, they have the most Indy time on the team! We do 7 on 7, the OL gets more Indy. We do special teams, the OL gets more Indy. And don't get me started on the QBs and WRs, lol. My whole post comes from a place of jealousy in case thats not clear. I coach DBs and OL and never feel like either have enough Indy. When I coached LBs it was a little better but I would steal reps running the scout team D. I would stand 2-3 yards behind them and coach them up every rep and see exactly what they were seeing. OCs never care what those guys are doing as long as they are lined up right and they don’t make too many plays. I’ve definitely never had an OC ask for the LBs to read a certain way so we could always work our reads which is huge.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 16, 2023 8:15:56 GMT -6
As a OL coach the answer is, not enough! This is the truth!
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Post by Defcord on Feb 13, 2023 11:26:04 GMT -6
I think it’s generally accepted that a middle school football program should be engaging in a way that kids want to continue playing football after they leave that program. Youth programs should as well. Along with that objective the programs should empower kids to play with great attitude and demeanor and hustle. Beyond this fundamentals should be prioritized. Regardless of the feeder set up or situation all of the above could and should be accomplished. Very noble outcomes and focuses. I would suggest the exact same should be said of HS VARSITY as well. Do you feel the same applies to Friday Nights as well? I don't disagree. As I said, all are noble goals, and should apply to any extra curricular endeavor regardless of age/grade level. It is just math. If you start at Jefferson High Year 0 and leave after year 2 ( 3 seasons), then those 7th and 8th graders aren't likely even on varsity when you leave. When you arrive at Lincoln High in year 3, You will be coaching Seniors, Juniors and Sophs that weren't "under you" in their lower level teams, and if you leave after 4 years, those who were in your "pipeline" may not be on the field much on Fridays during your regime (still underclassmen) I am a little late back into the party. I do think varsity programs should do their best to play every kid as often as possible. Some programs the coaches' jobs are on the line so I understand deterring from that goal. I am not saying play them equally, but playing them goes a long way in many accomplishing program goals. Parent and player buy-in both improve when kids get to play regularly. Overall team morale will also increase. In the cases when kids aren't going to play every game I do think there should be a clear expectation of playing time. My guys know going into a game where they stand. Some guys are going to start and play the whole way. Some guys are going to be on a rotation. Some guys are going to play when we need them. And some guys are only going to play if the game gets to a point that the game is no longer competitive. There's no surprises. I also encourage the players to let their parents know what their role is so that there is no surprises for the parents either. I put my money where my mouth is on this I believe. There have been a handful of games where we had a team shutout late with a big lead and put our guys who don't get a lot of time in and lost the shut out. One head coach I worked for didn't agree with the philosophy and thought shutouts should be protected. To me that was ego. I care a lot more about the kids than I do some number on the scoreboard.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 12, 2023 9:30:09 GMT -6
For as easy as that sounds a lot of schools struggle with it. This has been argued ad nauseam on this board, but it is important to remember that not all youth/jr high programs are affiliated with a singular HS, nor do all youth/jr high programs have a coach/coaches that feel they should operate "differently" than a Varsity program with regards to playing time, development etc. Essentially not everyone believes or operates as if "Varsity high school" should play to win, but everyone else should operate just to service them. Now, regarding teaching fundamentals- yeah thats just bad coaching. Fundamentals will win you games, so guys who don't care about the future should still focus on fundamentals more than other aspects. But I always find it a bit ironic that a thread can contain replies talking about HS head coaches controlling and vetting Jr. High and Youth progams, and ALSO have replies saying "I have coached at 4+ different schools". If there is that much movement, were you at the school when those youth and jr high kids moved up? I think it’s generally accepted that a middle school football program should be engaging in a way that kids want to continue playing football after they leave that program. Youth programs should as well. Along with that objective the programs should empower kids to play with great attitude and demeanor and hustle. Beyond this fundamentals should be prioritized. Regardless of the feeder set up or situation all of the above could and should be accomplished. And in my opinion all kids should get to play in every single game. Maybe this has and can be debated but I don’t see any great argument against it beyond ego. I understand there are complexities of situations that may disallow for complete vertical alignment but I don’t see why any of the above couldn’t be accomplished. I’m nomadic and have worked in multiple programs ranging from 3-5 years each. I don’t see why short time frames would not enable a coach to see kids transition from middle to high school. Most coaches observe the middle school programs games and practices at least a little bit and you only have to be around for one year for a group of 8th graders to become freshmen.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 12, 2023 8:32:33 GMT -6
This appears to be the $24,000.00 challenge in many "Down Programs"...unless it is a tiny school, where their total enrollment numbers are very low...why aren't the athletes who "starred" on the lower level teams going out for football in high school? I realize that it might be because they have a strong basketball program, or perhaps a strong wrestling program, and the coaches in those programs discourage participation in football...but in the end, don't you think that a major factor in their decision to not go out for football in high school really comes down to the student-athletes previous experience in youth or middle school football? If they got hammered every season in their younger years, their belief in their ability to succeed in football would have to be at a very low ebb...and they ask themselves...why should I go through this again? So my question to you guys is this: If you are going into a "Down Program" where the participation numbers are low, shouldn't you place as much of your focus on up-grading your lower level programs as you plan to do with the varsity program? Obviously, if your high school participation numbers are competitive with the other teams in your league...then your concern regarding up-grading those lower level programs probably should not require much of your time. Absolutely. Vetting the junior high and youth programs should be a high priority. And, it's really not that difficult; just make sure you don't have a$$holes coaching down there. Those guys have two priorities: teach fundamentals and get the kids playing time. For as easy as that sounds a lot of schools struggle with it.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 11, 2023 20:02:15 GMT -6
Try to hold off as long as you can on other job and see if the new guy seems like a solid leader. If so weigh the two options and go from there.
I’ve worked in 5 states and at multiple schools and until now I never thought about it but I’ve never worked for a head coach that didn’t hire me. But our head coach just left and a guy on staff was promoted so even still I’ll be working for a buddy.
I think in most high school situations if you hang around and do a good job the new guy will appreciate it and not treat you like a holdover.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 2, 2023 13:44:20 GMT -6
Last school I was at we did a competition everyday. We had a ton of different stuff. Either everyone participated or if only a few kids participated then those not participating had to wager on who would win the competition and if their team lost they had to do a couple of pushups or updowns.
I made up dozens of those competitions and tried to never use the same one twice in a month.
We used the time to teach them about not making excuses for losing, for supporting their teammates and to have fun.
We were on a bad stretch off football one year and stopped doing it for a couple weeks to use that time for football specific periods and it hurt more than it helped.
Examples:
Tug Of War
Tackle Bag Relay Race Split double team relay race Pass rush gauntlet 1 on 1s Deep Snap target shoot
Trivia on something we are trying to emphasize
Gatorade chug races when needing to hydration
Most had a football component but not all
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Post by Defcord on Jan 29, 2023 7:14:11 GMT -6
We are 10 Indy 5 station work Monday to Wednesday. Thursday we have 5 minutes but it’s players leading the 5 minute Indy we also do in pregame.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 13, 2023 12:52:20 GMT -6
I remember reading that years ago in a Sports Illustrated article. Supposedly he did that every day iirc. Isn't that physically impossible? How long would that take? I'm sure if he really did that many, it was split into sessions throughout his day I heard him say once on ESPN or something. "I used to do 50 pushups and 50 sit ups every commercial break on TV. And I watch a lot of TV." I don't know if he can still do that many pushups but I easily got that many texts during the last election cycle from his campaign it seemed like.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 13, 2023 7:23:42 GMT -6
I know emphasizing time of possession is becoming a thing of the past, but TCU's offense didn't do much in that department to help TCU's defense. TCU's offense was 2-11 on third downs, had three turnovers and only held the ball for 23 minutes (compared to UGAs 37).
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Post by Defcord on Jan 12, 2023 7:40:06 GMT -6
I think the lesson in all of this should be not to use physical activities as punishment.
My first teaching and coaching job almost 20 years ago now, I was lucky enough to work for an AD that was really good. One day I was running a kid after practices and he asked me why. I told him because his English teacher had called the head coach about something. He said DO NOT EVER USE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS A PUNISHMENT. Then asked "what happens if that kid collapses while you are punishing him? Do you want to explain that in court?" It hit home pretty good.
I think there's some nuance though. We use updowns as reminders. We will make kids redo physical activity when they do it wrong. Those both could be seen as using physical activity as a punishment. I don't see it that way and I think I could justify both as a tool to improve their athletic ability. But I still wonder.
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