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Post by veerman on Dec 21, 2023 22:12:42 GMT -6
If all you guys are "UC Flexbone Triple Option Guild" Journeymen - Does that make tog the "Overlord"? There are 3 levels to a Guild. Apprentice, Journeyman, and Master LoL.
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Post by veerman on Dec 19, 2023 8:58:02 GMT -6
Have done gift exchange, or dirty santa. Like the idea of doing something for kids. We would bring them something to snack on while we play christmas music and just enjoyed our time. Before spring break we would do a group challenge were we divide players in teams and they compete in many different random type of challenges. Winners get a shirt or other random gear.
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Post by veerman on Dec 18, 2023 12:17:07 GMT -6
You guys are a trip...the little flexbone / triple option guild on the huey board definitely knows its x's and o's but fellas, you guys need to get a grip. Seriously. Again, a post suggesting a conspiracy from athletic directors and coaches to dictate what another school will be able to run, particularly given that the team ran the supposedly "banned" offense AFTER it was admitted into the conference, just come on. I am admittedly biased toward UC option football, but have had success coaching offense in the gun with sort of the college flavor of the day. I firmly believe that if you cannot be better than the best teams in your conference at running the same O/D than it is better to be different. Different can come in many forms... air raid, wishbone, single wing, etc. Anyway, I took it more as they meant that perhaps Army wanted to be more attractive to potential conferences and thus changing offenses would help with this. However, I think I was wrong in this assumption. While it does seem pretty out therr, it is an interesting take. I mean if the government killed JFK, as most Americans now believe, is it that outlandish to think that schools might try to pressure Army into not running an offense they many coaches openly admit they hate playing against for various reasons? I'm with you it seems like a stretch, but who knows. I appreciate all the comments and lets just try to have fun here guys and be respectful and not personal. This is all for enjoyment, not added stress. Can we please use the term Flexbone Triple Option Guild... we can all put in that little signature line at the bottom or whatever it is called if somebody will tell us how. I added to it LOL... Like you said, I think the statements were more towards Army trying to get into a conference, and probably the conference coaches and ADs saying they don't want a TO team in there conference cause it's too hard to prepare for. Proof of that is when GT was Triple and in the ACC, Clemson, Duke, VT, Miami and any other top tier ACC team who had them on schedule would always petition to have their bye week the week before GT.
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Post by veerman on Dec 13, 2023 13:09:36 GMT -6
I've gone away from cable, and do mainly apps. If you have the ESPN app you can go back and watch the semi game. But will definitely be watching the champ game live. I was in and out on phone keeping up with the game while sitting at the Army/Navy game. If you ever get a chance to go, don't miss out. Even with both teams loosing their way everything about the game and everything before is definitely worth it.
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Post by veerman on Dec 11, 2023 12:42:22 GMT -6
Harding has their own app that you can watch a bunch of their games on. It even has past years games on there. Its awsome!
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Post by veerman on Dec 11, 2023 8:09:28 GMT -6
Was at the game. I agree with everyone that Navy had zero identity. Army was just a little better but not by much when it came to this as well.
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Post by veerman on Nov 30, 2023 10:49:09 GMT -6
maybe on kickoff, but punt could be a different story. Reason against making them rekick? In my mind outside of you having great field position from a block, bad punt, or good return, making them punt again makes them have to execute another snap, punt, and coverage with players who might now be fatigue. I'm getting the ball, so why would I want to put it back in their hands? Again if I'm in bad field position I would, or if their punter just hit a rare dinger that he could not do a second time that kept us getting the ball in their territory I would.
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Post by veerman on Nov 29, 2023 11:34:38 GMT -6
The major clinics are all pretty much the same. Glazier, Nike COY, etc. I don't feel like one is better than the other and most of it is just going to get the staff together and have a little fun plus hear some guys talk about stuff that may or may not apply to you. A guy I worked with before would always set us up to go visit other staffs at schools similar size and demographics to us that had either turned it around or was a traditional winner. It was pretty cool because they would give us the grand tour. Let us see their facilities/weightroom. Give us insight to how the practiced and managed their roster. Sometimes we could talk to their admin about what they thought was important to them from the football program and how they supported it and kept the program strong. Sometimes after the school day was over we would have a few drinks and BS as well. It's a good way to do learn specific to your situation. The biggest difference between Glazier and Nike COY is one price gets you into All the Glazier plus the videos. Nike COY is about the same cost to just go to 1 of their clinics, But you are correct on the type of clinic when it comes to topics and speakers. I like visiting schools that are similar to your team as well, and also visit colleges that Don't have the resources that others do, and what they do to adapt .
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Post by veerman on Nov 29, 2023 11:19:55 GMT -6
I would normally say that is not the best decision for a variety of reasons. But in this situation, it is actually a GREAT idea. If they take the ball, they just have one more HailMary play left. If they take the penalty and make you re-kick, I don't think the 5 extra yards really matter in this situation one way or the other. Off topic but you should genearlly always make teams re-kick when kicking and punting. maybe on kickoff, but punt could be a different story.
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Post by veerman on Nov 29, 2023 11:18:15 GMT -6
The type of kick is not the issue. DON"T KICK IT TO THE BEST PLAYER!!! KO scouting starts with, is there a kid who we are not going to kick it to this week (Power 5 commit would definitely check this box). Sometimes there's multiple guys, so we may do a different type of kick on kickoff that week.
We actually was on the winning side of this once. We had a kid that is playing at a power 5 school now, a team just scored to take the lead in the 4th quarter in a 2nd round playoff game. Their kicker was going to a power 5 school as well. ALL night they put it out the back of the endzone with no chance of return. After they took the lead they wanted to sky kick it on the numbers about at the 5 (Like a lot of colleges do for some reason), well our guy takes it for a house call, and we tie the game, only for him to break a long run after they go 3 and out the next possession for us to win the game.
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Post by veerman on Nov 29, 2023 10:59:16 GMT -6
They are not waiting and catching the OL a yard off the ball (or at least how we do it). It gives them a chance to be aggressive while being able to react to their read key. The DL is still firing off the ball and trying to re-establish the LOS if they are getting an attack read from their key, but not by just flying up field. We start off our DL about at this distance at the beginning, and tell them as they get stronger and better at reacting they can slowly inch closer. The closer you get the quicker your reaction time must be, and the stronger you must be cause you won't have as much momentum. Also easier to do DL stunts with a little more depth.
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Post by veerman on Nov 2, 2023 9:29:47 GMT -6
As far as a football aspect of toughness I break it down into mental and physical. Physical IMO can be associated with coming off the ball hard and making hard contact with the opponent, or going in for a tackle hard. Mental can be associated with what gets you no longer focused on the task at hand. They combine when it comes to pain tolerance, physically everyone is playing in pain after week 3, so to what extent does it effect you mentally where you can no longer focus on the task at hand.
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Post by veerman on Nov 2, 2023 8:06:19 GMT -6
I'll look for it. I had it on VHS then moved it to DVD. If I find it over weekend I'll see what I can do.
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Post by veerman on Nov 1, 2023 8:33:57 GMT -6
No, that one is not the one I have. I have one with him doing a clinic on a gym floor. It shows more hands on type, he brings in players and everything.
Well two home moves later..I hope I still have it somewhere...LOL
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Post by veerman on Nov 1, 2023 7:15:12 GMT -6
I think I was just watching that last week. He talks about coaching them quick too though, so that you are still getting reps. I can't stand letting kids get reps doing something wrong. I will stop things and correct even if we lose reps. Doing it wrong = getting worse. Yeah, he did talk about trying to do it as quick as possible, but he wants coaching after every snap and give kids feedback. Was the video the one of him doing the clinic in the gym?
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Post by veerman on Oct 31, 2023 11:32:52 GMT -6
Exactly how my coach ran our program. I was not great player, was 6ft and 185 and not that strong. Did I mention slow as molasses? But I routinely blocked dudes that were much bigger and better than me in all the measurables, because of the technique and repetitions. I saw Coach Lad talking about giving feedback and paying attention to all the details and again this is how my coach was. I have shocked at watching coaches of really good programs that just let things go. I do think it is like Coach Lad said, it is just wired into us. I can't let it go. I have to point it out and try to correct it. My OLs have played over their heads. Sucks for my wife and kids, learning to control it at home, but I am who I am. I agree with the immediate feedback. I remember watching a clinic film of him talking about them wanting to coach after every play and giving kids immediate feedback, and getting the plays down. The New Age style is reps reps reps, no matter if they are doing them wrong, correct in film study and not on the field.
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Post by veerman on Oct 30, 2023 7:33:03 GMT -6
Being Physical is not something you do, It's something you are IMO. Now being physically tough can be more along the lines of how much pain you can endure before you crack. Now can you increase the physically tough threshold with drills? (tackling,wrestling, weight room, and whatever hand to hand drills you can think of...) I think as coaches we think we can, BUT the Being Physical ceiling is set by the individual not the coach. He has to have it in him, and it's not natural to be excited to bringing pain on your body as long as the other person is experiencing more. These are the guys that are going to throw their bodies around knowing pain is coming. Being bigger helps this but in no way does being strong in the weight room make you a more Physical player. It increases the ability of the physical players but does not create the physical player. Mental toughness is your overall breaking point: I think there is a good clip of Saban talking about this.
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Post by veerman on Oct 25, 2023 12:15:34 GMT -6
It's a great setup BUT I have to give you some slight caution. Since Varsity is what keeps you employed, it will be VERY easy to focus your time and energy on them and unintentionally slight the lower level groups. After reflecting, I've realized that this has happened to us before but I didn't even recognize it while it was happening. The positive thing about having lower level staffs to themselves is that that's their world and they will give it the full energy it needs. The negative thing about it is that you don't know what might be taught over there and those guys get to you and you wonder what the heck was going on down there in previous years. VERY TRUE...it's kinda that double edge sword..Is not as much attention with you better than someone who may teach something off the wall? They may put in much more time, but is 90 min per day with you better than 150 min per day with someone else? Those questions are answered on a case by case IMO.
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Post by veerman on Oct 25, 2023 8:00:41 GMT -6
Sure, but it is VERY Exhausting. We did it here my first two years at my current school. The school is 7-12, we would practice the HS starting at 1:45 and practice the MS at 4:30. It was the same 3 coaches doing both. Our school is small and has only been playing football for about 8 years. The last two year we had volunteers to coach MS, and this year was a disaster, so not sure what we are going to do next year. At another school where we were doing both (was a 6-12 school). I liked it how we did it there. During summer we brought them in as two different groups worked on basic skills and base plays from May till school started. We had 5 coaches on staff. When school started we got the MS for an Hr during the middle of the day and worked on Indy of one side of the ball, and if time, we did team. The HS would come the last Hr of the day and we would lift and do board work till school let out. After school everyone (6-12) would go out and we would start off with the opposite side of the ball that the MS worked on during the day and do Indy. We were a SBV team so we mirrored a lot of drills on offense. When HS would go Team the MS would go team on other side of field with 2 coaches, and HS would take 3. We let the MS go home when we swapped to the other side of the ball (the side MS worked during the day) and it was just HS for remainder of practice. Again not ideal, but it did work having to do both. This method was most efficient cause you still got reps, and you were not out there coaching two teams for 6 hrs.
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Post by veerman on Sept 19, 2023 11:55:11 GMT -6
Harding has their own app you can watch the games from. Harding University's HU16 is the app I believe. Great app, can watch the majority of their games from years past as well as this years games. I'm usually watching them on my TV instead of the power 5 schools on Saturdays.
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Post by veerman on Sept 1, 2023 9:02:04 GMT -6
So if you are a wishbone guy, you are going to stick with it even in years where you aren't so good up front? One of the teams I follow runs flex bone regardless of personnel. Seems to me if you widen those two wing backs you make it easier to get the ball in space. I know, Hutch did well running it for a long time, but they had a string of beasts. Let’s get one thing straight here. In the flex they’re slots not wings. Wings are attached to TE. Also if you widen the slots then the timing is off on motions and give the defense time to adjust to it Answer is: YES!!! 10000000000000000000000000000% YES!!!!! That is what some look to change to when you are going to be in that situation with OL. I'm not a fan of changing your core system year to year. Your system has to be flexible enough to adjust to strengths but not change the core. If Dan Marino walks in, and you are a option guy (Flex, SBV, Wish) you are still going to install ISV/OSV, mid, mid triple, toss/fly/Quick pitch etc....you may not run those near as much as passing plays now that you have him, but they will still be ran and practiced. Coaches that would change and go full on spread or empty when he walks in from being a DW,Wing-T, SBV, or Flexbone, are putting every egg in one basket for one guy, when that guy is no longer there due to injury or graduation what do you do? Do you wholesale change offense again? I guess that's the question I have for you? If you changed your system for a player and he gets hurt week 5, are you changing systems again based on the talent of his backup?
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Post by veerman on May 12, 2023 7:22:33 GMT -6
You can meet all weekend, but at the end of the week the team with the best players is probably going to win. That may be true in the majority of games but in closely matched games preparation can make a difference. I agree, but it's more about the kids preparation rather than ours. We can spend All day Saturday and Sunday prepping for 24 hrs in that two day span. If our kids are not focused and prep on their own as well, then that close game will go the whoever did, or whoever just made more plays that night.
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Post by veerman on May 11, 2023 8:52:35 GMT -6
Women's Beach Volleyball. LFL for me lol....but on serious note. Don't really watch much college football, and if I do, I'll watch certain schools like Harding/Miss St..teams that do things outside the norm. I'll watch the occasional big game. But I'll have to admit, I'm from TN, but didn't really watch the whole TN/Bama game except for parts. I did watch the whole last quarter. I took my daughter to the Bama vs Miss St game this year since she is a Bama fan and wanted to go to a game. Glad I did, finally got to see one of my all time favs in Leach before he passed. I don't really watch NFL, maybe 2-3 games all year (counting playoffs and super bowl), even though I play fantasy football lol. I like watching MLB in person, but not TV. The majority of the sports I watch live are our high school teams. Also watch a ton of other high school football teams on the net.
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Post by veerman on May 9, 2023 9:41:11 GMT -6
Worked at 8 different schools, under 9 different HCs. Things have changed quite a bit over the 20 years. When I first started we all meet on Saturdays, and meet for around 6-7 hrs (some of that time was waiting for VHS tapes to be dubbed off for coaches). After a few years you still meet on Saturdays, but didn't have to meet as long (around 4-5)cause of the DVD multi burner towers made copies faster, and the DSV program gave % of opponents quicker. With HUDL and the way technology is today, you really don't ever have to meet in person if you didn't want to. Google meet and Zoom allows you to meet together as a group whenever and wherever, as a coaching staff or as an entire team. Our HC from two years ago lived about 30 min from school, we would get on Sunday night and meet as a staff for a couple hours, then the players would get on as we would watch film with them and show them film of the next opponent. We would not meet with players more than hr and half. Staff would meet for various lengths of time depending.
After everything, I'm 100% in favor of meeting google meet or zoom. You can get everything you need done and your kids know that daddy is home if they really need him, but can still have a private group meeting if you need as well. Players can still have film study and it helps their families out as well. Your coaching, your scheme, and knowing what your opponents are doing only makes up about 10% of the outcome, and at times not even that.
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Post by veerman on Apr 26, 2023 12:01:42 GMT -6
Coach Prime has basically done what many old school coaches did years ago. It will take him a couple of years to rebuild CU into relevance again, and when they are I'm sure others will start pointing fingers and wondering if he did it legally. I hate to say this...but there are NO colleges that are at the TOP that does everything "legally"
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Post by veerman on Apr 26, 2023 9:19:58 GMT -6
Watched the Spring game. First thing I thought about was how hard it's going to be to recruit athletes to come to a place that it SNOWS during your spring game!! Other than playing for Deion what is there to offer?? And if there's not some success, that will wear off quickly as well. What's he going to say "Come to Colorado, where you get to play in sub zero temps year around, it even snows during our spring practices and games" LOL. I'm hoping he does great. I think he says all the right things and tries to put his words into action as good as there is. I mean...after you listen to the guy, how do you not want him to succeed. This year I would set the line at 3 1/2.
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Post by veerman on Apr 12, 2023 7:43:55 GMT -6
We use Hi-Pod as well.
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Post by veerman on Dec 19, 2022 22:16:25 GMT -6
We was looking at using the Go Army Edge and the Oculus. Been in touch with GAE trying to make it more under center option friendly but not getting anywhere. Still may try to use it.
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Post by veerman on Nov 27, 2022 19:46:13 GMT -6
Man, by that description, it almost sounds like you're saying you wasted a lot of time... I can understand how you can say that. But the bigger waste of time is things like zoom, text,. Dog barking, door bell rings, kid crying, food is done, food is being cooked, lost the phone, internet goes out, bf/gf fighting, going to get the mail, sportcenter, porn, some game is on, whatever. And their stuff still not done. That spit does not fly. and it is waste of time if you have your spit done, but remember human nature is involved. There were always coaches who waited till the weekend.And then if you are going to say something, you are going to say it out in the open in front of everybody, and you better not say it as a second guess on game night. You cannot hide it in a text or behind you did nott really mean it. Then on top of that, if coaches are not involved with the players, and you are not actively discussing it daily, you will get caught with your pants down. He weaponized the depth chart/playing time…as every coach in america should in my opinion. If you do not run the team outside of practice and games, you have no culture. Or you have terrible culture. We had 3 Coaches total in our program 2 years ago and that was for 6-12 (had 26 in jr high, and 37 in High School). We made school history in overall wins, wins in the playoffs, overall defense, and finishing runner up in the region. We did jr high thru varsity. We did not have extra coaches able to focus on the next week's games while we watched film on this week's opponents. HUDL Assist does almost all those things you are breaking down, and would have it broken down for us, and after about week 5 it was usually done in about a matter of seconds. All our coaches were married with multiple kids, just like everything in life, what works for one may not work for others. Like you said, you're not right, nor wrong. Sounds like you are at a large school with 5+ coaches on your staff, guessing most are not married and from the sounds of it you have a good number of decent football players on it if your able to legit threaten kids with playing time with everything yall do. Spending all day Saturday and Sunday, while coming in at 6am during the week seems to work for y'all, and that's awesome, and as long as it does keep doing you. In your words...That spit wouldn't fly around here. 1-we would probably have been 3 divorced coaches lol if we did that and coached all three levels in the process, plus we would not have the energy to meet that much. Two-I'm just not a 6am guy, I'm a late night guy, that early in the morning is when most people get cussed from me lol. Some places only have very few coaches, and don't even have enough decent football players to even have a scout team that won't get hurt, so competition for playing time is sometimes not an option. Sometimes with injuries you're just trying to find kids who won't get themselves or their teammates hurt playing on Friday nights. Those same coaches were also coaching the middle school, the jv, and the varsity team. So saying Zoom/Google Meets are a waste of time, they were a necessity for us. We could be at home with our families, but also meet with our staff and our players if we had to after a jv game on monday, or a middle school game on tuesday. We could meet with the kids over the weekend even if they or us were on a trip. If our coaches needed to meet at 10pm when all our family were asleep, that's what we did as well. That other waste of time that you talk of: dog barking, kids crying, cooking food for family, wife hollering for you to do something for her...that is just extra to help us to stay focused on Friday night when crap hits the fan lol. While others who may have worked hrs upon hrs upon hrs trying to come up with a magical game plan while sitting in a quiet office and perfect it with their players may struggle cause they worked nothing but their game plan all week with no chaos lol. Again, what works for one, may not work for others. If that works for you, keep doing it, and don't worry about it.
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Post by veerman on Nov 13, 2022 23:54:44 GMT -6
Our situation was very different this year. The HC that was hired in the spring had to leave 2 1/2 weeks into season (on a Wednesday of week 3) for personal reasons due to insurance with his disabled son. When he left, it was in thoughts that he will return after Jan 1st when supposedly his insurance deal gets solved, but that is not 100% guaranteed. I was only one during the spring for workouts cause he stayed on at his old school for remainder of the school year. He came down and we did spring together just me and him. Over the summer we picked up 3 volunteers after me and him started most of June together. When he left, I took over. One volunteer wanted to be a coordinator but we had different philosophies. We were SBV and he wanted to go spread and power wishbone running. I wanted to continue running Veer of course, so we did. We did make a change from SBV to Flexbone due to injuries in the backfield. With the former HC we met on Sundays for couple hrs and talked about what changes needed to be made and everything was discussed from wishbone/spread/power I, to more SBV…I was DC and other volunteers would always suggest changing something, and HC was a SUPER GOOD GUY, and would let them speak their peace. We would try a little bit and struggle all around cause we wasn’t good at anything. After I took over, we met twice more on Sundays again in person, and they wanted to talk about changes, and I told them Veer was what we are going to do. We just needed to work on the fundamentals of football. I guess they got butt hurt cause they felt like they didn’t get a say in anything. Since I was only one that knew what we were doing offensively and defensively I called both sides, but gave each a special teams they could be in control of. Guess some wanted more, and thought I was trying to do everything myself. We met after that on Google meet on Sunday nights for about an hr and half, we would go over small details of things that we needed for that week, and discuss who to attack with our options. Kids would get on afterwards and we would go over everything and watch film with them. The volunteer that wanted to be a coordinator was willing to drive down 35 min to meet at school, but wasn’t willing to drive 10 min to get on Google meet at his church where we could get wifi service. I would still ask him his thoughts in the coaches group text and he would always send back doing something completely different than what our offensive and defensive philosophies are as a game plan, and talk about the opposing team. After the second week of me being in charge, I decided to see how much film he watched after he said something about a team i didn’t think was right. Well he only had watched 9 min of film combined for the past two week. Were I personally don’t get a good feel for a team until I watched them for at least a couple hrs and sometimes it takes me longer. Like I thought, he had no clue what the opposing team was doing. He made the comment a couple weeks after that a teams DL was weak and not very good. Our OL came off the field after the second series and said that was the strongest and best OL they played all year. That team went undefeated in our region… I would have gotten rid of all the volunteers and just had former player volunteers I coached help me, BUT I did not, and it was a miserable staff for both them and me. If our HC does not come back, I’ll tell them we have different mindsets and philosophy differences, not saying ones right/wrong, or better than the other… but they won’t be helping, and I’ll have former players help me that I trust.
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