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Post by tog on Jan 3, 2007 19:35:15 GMT -6
what do you do if you win the toss and why?
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Post by djwesp on Jan 3, 2007 19:42:45 GMT -6
what do you do if you win the toss and why? It really depends on the situation. We always take the ball first against spread teams, because we are trying to slow the game down and don't want to play from behind (we are a good first drive team).
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Post by kkennedy on Jan 3, 2007 20:03:50 GMT -6
I'm a single winger so I want the ball so I can start eating clock( I know I know T.O.P. is not as important unless you finish the drive with a score, we usually did.) and grinding out that first drive and pounding the defense with my hammer (tailback).
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 3, 2007 20:10:49 GMT -6
I really don't care either way. If we are playing a real dynamo on offense then I like to have the ball 1st and chew up clock simply to keep it away from them. Who knows, maybe we can score first and pump ourselves up! But if I were to chart wins and losses by what we did on the coin toss I don't think I would find any real corralation.
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Post by airman on Jan 3, 2007 20:25:39 GMT -6
it depends. on a very windy night we want the 2 and 4 quarters the wind to our back.
generally I want the defense on the field first. I believe in all out attacking defense, so I let them on the field just to get all the pentup hostility that they have raging inside them out.
I have this philosophy, defense is like the marine corps on Iwo Jima. they charged the benchhead screaming and attacking. defensive players tend or at least imo are the emotional kind.
one offense we like to be the air force. you know, drop those long range bombs using tactical knowhow.
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Post by los on Jan 3, 2007 21:25:40 GMT -6
Always called tails if we had the choice and deferred if we won, just figured everyone was nervous and it wouldnt hurt us as much defensively, then we had a chance to set the tempo for the 2nd half by getting the ball back 1st at this time. Don't know if it matters either way really but thats just the way we liked to do it and the players seemed to prefer it. They played both ways for the most part and wanted to kick-off and play defense first!
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Post by calicoachh on Jan 3, 2007 21:26:06 GMT -6
it depends on my kicker, if i have one, i'll defer to the second half, if i don't have a kicker i'll take the ball
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Post by blackfly73 on Jan 3, 2007 23:34:21 GMT -6
Defer - for field position reasons.
Put the defense on the field first... get the ball back in better field position than if we took the kick off.
Recieving the kick you're usually around your own 20 - recieving it after a punt in HS you're usually getting it just on your side of midfield.
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Post by aznando on Jan 3, 2007 23:43:26 GMT -6
As a QB I always wanted the ball first, because I wanted to get hit. I couldn't really function mentaly until I got that first pop, so usualy I was running option or QB Bootleg at the start of the game. As a coach it just depends on the situation. Against our rivals or a big game, I want my defense to go out and ride that emotion and get a stop. Other than that it doesn't really matter. One thing that is definatly nice is putting together a good drive and scoring right before the half knowing that your getting the ball back in the 2nd. It's also nice to have the ball in the 2nd half to see if those half time adjustments are going to work and be able to set the tone for the 2nd half.
Aznando
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 4, 2007 0:45:00 GMT -6
Defer to the second half. The way I look at it, both teams are jacked up to start the game, and I would rather have my defense on the field played jacked up which could be a greater value, than have my offense on the field first jacked up, which could actually be a hinderance.
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Post by tedseay on Jan 4, 2007 4:27:40 GMT -6
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 4, 2007 5:11:39 GMT -6
Defer. There's usually at least one moron per season who will elect to kick at that point... Been on the winning end of that a few times. Honestly, the more I thought about it the more I think we usually defer if we win.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jan 4, 2007 6:16:52 GMT -6
Always defer. Lets us get the jitters out on defense. I also like getting the ball coming out of the half, being able to apply half time adjustments right away on offense.
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Post by mib36 on Jan 4, 2007 7:42:06 GMT -6
we usually defer, unless it's a special occasion where we need to make a statement to someone.
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Post by sls on Jan 4, 2007 8:42:45 GMT -6
If there are no special circumstances I let my kids decide at the coin toss. The kids love it!
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Post by CoachJ on Jan 4, 2007 8:45:54 GMT -6
We always defer to the second half. We want to be on defense first and try and establish field position right away. Depending on the team, we sometimes spend the entire first half on their side of the field. It goes together with our philosphy of setting the tone early.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 4, 2007 8:49:14 GMT -6
Defer for the same reasons as tedseay.
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Post by superpower on Jan 4, 2007 9:04:43 GMT -6
We take the ball. With the Double Wing, we feel that we can set the tone, get the first score, and start forcing the opponent to play our game right away.
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Post by rooster on Jan 4, 2007 9:12:14 GMT -6
Unless the weather could be a determining factor, we like to defer until the second half. I like going into the locker room at half time, making a few adjustments, coming out and scoring on the first possession.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 4, 2007 9:35:50 GMT -6
+1 to Defer.
I like to make my halftime adjustments and then get the ball. Plus, the team is very charged up, I've always argued a charged up group of kids plays better defense then offense.
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Post by scoresomemore on Jan 4, 2007 10:32:02 GMT -6
i tell you, we've always deferred, but after reading clock management books, its interesting to ponder. One of the books i read stated that the team who scored first won the game 82% of the time. That was enough to make me evaluate the deal.
He also talked about being an underdog or being the favorite. If you were favored, he encouraged to play at a fast pace because if you flipped coin 100 times, you'd win the majority of the time.
If you were an underdog, he mentioned slowing the pace of your offense, because you were the lesser opponent, you only wanted to flip the coin 40 times, increasing your odds as an underdog.
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Post by coachbw on Jan 4, 2007 10:37:30 GMT -6
I like the ball, because I think sending the offense out right away can help set the tempo of the game.
There is however one team we play that we always defer against. I know that there staff gets mad when people come in and "choose to be on defense first thinking they are going to shut down our offense." I don't know that I understand their logic, but we do it just because I know they don't like it.
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 4, 2007 13:03:02 GMT -6
"One of the books i read stated that the team who scored first won the game 82% of the time."
I dunno...I wonder what the statistic is when you don't include blowouts and shutouts...cause a blowout and a shutout is going to happen whether you kick or receive.
And is it a Highschool statistic? Cause if you look at the scores of any given week, most games are lopsided in HS.
Ultimately, don't think there is a right or wrong way to go.
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Post by knighter on Jan 4, 2007 13:24:05 GMT -6
we take the ball
as Superpower said we feel it forces opponents to play "our" game right away. at a smaller HS where most players go both ways we can wear out some of their studs so they are not as good on offense.
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Post by redandwhite on Jan 4, 2007 14:24:48 GMT -6
We will almost always defer, primarily to attempt to play the field position game early on and to try to set the tone with our Kickoff Team and Defense. However, wind conditions will sometimes cause us to reconsider, as will how we feel we match up with our opponent either offensively or defensively. Just wondering, does anyone ever routinely at least consider taking the wind at the start of the game (thereby kicking to start both halves)? We often discuss it, and have done so twice over 20 years. The first time allowed us to play the whole first half on a far superior team's half of the field and keep the game close to the end. the second time, with fairly evenly matched teams, we scored our third TD on the first play of the second quarter, effectively winning the game in the first 12 minutes.
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Post by spreadjet31 on Jan 4, 2007 14:40:32 GMT -6
We generally defer to the second half. We've had a very stout defense for the past few years and really feel like it sets a positive tone if we hold a team to a "three and out" on the opening series. Alternatively, if we go "three and out" on our first series after holding the opponent, it doesn't sting quite as much and we usually still hold the upper hand on field position.
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Post by 20x on Jan 4, 2007 16:08:30 GMT -6
We take the ball and pray that we score.
Because we ain't stoppin' them.
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 4, 2007 16:37:05 GMT -6
"One of the books i read stated that the team who scored first won the game 82% of the time."
That was from John Sterner's book on Clock Management. I believe he looked at HS games in Wisconsin
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Post by fish on Jan 4, 2007 17:24:37 GMT -6
i like the approach my old high school coach took with the coin toss. he always said, if you lose the toss, there's nothing left to lose.
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