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Post by airitout616 on May 24, 2007 1:32:44 GMT -6
I was just watching The NFL Network they had a show on the most mobile QB's ever. I dont remember the whole list but a few were McNabb, Zorn, Stabuach, Cunningham, Flutie, Young was #2 then #1 was Fran Tarkenton. One that I really liked on the list was #8 Dan Marino he was ahead of Zorn and NcNabb if you saw the moves he had in the pocket with like 2 or 3 steps it was like watching art. My fav is Dan Marino. Who do you guys think the most mobile NFL QB ever was ? And what do you think a "mobile" QB is, is it a Vick type or like Marino and Namath.
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Post by goldenbear76 on May 24, 2007 1:37:28 GMT -6
My two favorite mobile QB's were steve young and randall Cunningham. The reason they were my favorite was that because they were passers first..runners 2nd. When they scrambled around, they were always looking downfield, but they made such great decisions on WHEN to run.
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Post by brophy on May 24, 2007 5:19:07 GMT -6
Marino was mobile?
Cunningham was probably the best, imo....with Tarkenton a close second (though really not my generation...but he was great on "Thats Incredible!")
Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, John Elway, Young Brett Favre....look up MARLON BRISCO (Broncos)
If Vick gets suspended this season (dogs) what kind of shockwave message would that send throughout the football community? (Character counts).
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Post by spartancoach on May 24, 2007 5:42:14 GMT -6
Where was Bernie Kosar?
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Post by wildcat on May 24, 2007 5:50:01 GMT -6
I think you need to define "mobility"...In terms of ESPN talking head-speak, "mobile" is usually a euphenism for "black QB who probably should be playing RB". When I think of a "mobile" QB, I think of a guy who can get himself out of trouble with his feet and still make a big play downfield or a guy who can hurt you with his arm and his legs.
I think Marino fits that first definition...he wasn't going to threaten anyone with a big run, but how many times did you see Marino get sacked? He had un uncanny ability to feel pressure, step up in the pocket, and find someone downfield for a big play. Couple other guys you can compare to Marino for the same reasons would be Bernie Kosar and Warren Moon.
The other key is that you have to be a true duel threat...can't just be a guy who can run like Vick or Bobby Douglass. With that criteria, I would have to go with Randall Cunningham, John Elway, Steve Young, or even Daunte Culpepper his first few years in the league.
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Post by wildcat on May 24, 2007 5:51:55 GMT -6
Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, John Elway, Young Brett Favre....look up MARLON BRISCO (Broncos) Isn't Briscoe one of the assistant coaches on the Nike Briscoe County Hawks commercials? |
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Post by khalfie on May 24, 2007 8:05:23 GMT -6
No way in the World...
I repeat... in no way... no definition... I don't care if you define mobile as lying still in a death like coma... could you qualify Marino as MOBILE!
Was Marino great... no doubt... was it because of his mobility? HECK NO!
Feel... yes! Pocket pressence... yes! Avoidability... yes! Mobility... NOOOOO!
Mobility... in its simpliest form is... ""move from place to place while retaining the ability to fulfill their primary mission.""
You would argue, that's marino... I'd argue, he's never moved... he's still in the same place... Mobile QB's don't end in the same place they start... Just because I move my feet, does not mean I've moved... it means I moved my feet!
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Post by wildcat on May 24, 2007 8:14:32 GMT -6
No way in the World... I repeat... in no way... no definition... I don't care if you define mobile as lying still in a death like coma... could you qualify Marino as MOBILE! Was Marino great... no doubt... was it because of his mobility? HECK NO! Feel... yes! Pocket pressence... yes! Avoidability... yes! Mobility... NOOOOO! Mobility... in its simpliest form is... ""move from place to place while retaining the ability to fulfill their primary mission."" You would argue, that's marino... I'd argue, he's never moved... he's still in the same place... Mobile QB's don't end in the same place they start... Just because I move my feet, does not mean I've moved... it means I moved my feet! Khal - I agree...the words "mobile" and "Dan Marino" should never, under ANY circumstances, be allowed to be in the same sentence together! ;D Pocket presence, avoidability, escapability...certainly MUCH better terms to describe guys like Kosar, Marino, Moon, etc..etc... Another guy who fits in there but has struggled lately is Byron Leftwich. He is not "mobile" but does (or at least used to) have the ability to avoid pressure. |
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Post by coachnichols on May 24, 2007 9:23:29 GMT -6
khalfie's definition of mobility -- "to move from place to place while retaining the ability to fulfill their primary mission"If this is the definition we are using, then there is no doubt if we take all the QB's mentioned so far (McNabb, Stabuach, Cunningham, Flutie, Young, Tarkenton, MARINO?, Vick, Garcia, Elway, Favre), and set up some drills/tests to measure their "MOBILITY", then Michael Vick would be the winner, no doubt! You pick the drills, set up the situation, whatever. If we're betting, my money's on Vick to win the 40, pro agility, 3 cone, hoop drill, rolling out, escaping the rush, those drills they run in the QB Challenge that's on TV every February, anything! I'm not a Michael Vick fan nor do I like what he's been doing off the field, but he is a completely different animal compared to what you have on this list. Cunningham is the only one close. I'm not saying he's the best QB, obviously his play so far has showed he isn't, but as far as mobility goes, he has got to be the most mobile QB ever.  |
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Post by wildcat on May 24, 2007 9:27:36 GMT -6
khalfie's definition of mobility -- "to move from place to place while retaining the ability to fulfill their primary mission"If this is the definition we are using, then there is no doubt if we take all the QB's mentioned so far (McNabb, Stabuach, Cunningham, Flutie, Young, Tarkenton, MARINO?, Vick, Garcia, Elway, Favre), and set up some drills/tests to measure their "MOBILITY", then Michael Vick would be the winner, no doubt! You pick the drills, set up the situation, whatever. If we're betting, my money's on Vick to win the 40, pro agility, 3 cone, hoop drill, rolling out, escaping the rush, those drills they run in the QB Challenge that's on TV every February, anything! I'm not a Michael Vick fan nor do I like what he's been doing off the field, but he is a completely different animal compared to what you have on this list. Cunningham is the only one close. I'm not saying he's the best QB, obviously his play so far has showed he isn't, but as far as mobility goes, he has got to be the most mobile QB ever. Coach - I think it is hilarious that this post about Mike Vick included the terms "betting" and "animal". That is just awesome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled posting... ;D |
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Post by kdcoach on May 24, 2007 9:31:29 GMT -6
LMAO....now that's funny!
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Post by coachnichols on May 24, 2007 9:32:12 GMT -6
Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all week!
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Post by brophy on May 24, 2007 9:36:13 GMT -6
add to the list,
Steve McNair, Vince Young.......Jake Plummer(?).......
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Post by CoachFetty on May 24, 2007 10:10:02 GMT -6
I liked Young, he combined mobility and the arm, Elway as well. It all depends on your defenition of mobile.
Is it some one who runs for a great deal of yardage(Vick, Cunningham) or someone who scrambles around and launches it down field (Mcnabb) or some one who moves in side pocket ( Marino, Montana)
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Post by wildcat on May 24, 2007 10:14:22 GMT -6
I'm a big VY fan...what concerns me is that I don't think that the Titans really have a talented receiving corps to compliment him.
Last year, one of the reasons he was so successful is because he kind of snuck up on people. This year, defenses will be better prepared for him.
Did the Titans do anything noteworthy this offseason to improve their passing game? I know they wanted to bring Keyshawn Johnson in, but that didn't work out...any other big free agent acquisitions that are going to take some of the heat off of VY?
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Post by brophy on May 24, 2007 10:28:56 GMT -6
Clinton Solomon of Iowa.........Rams cut him early last training camp, he's been with the Titans since November.......
and wildcat's favorite, Bobby Wade, I think just got a big-time deal this off-season.
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Post by coachweav88 on May 24, 2007 10:31:23 GMT -6
I don't know, but Randall Cunningham was a beast on Tecmo Super Bowl !!!
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Post by wingt74 on May 24, 2007 10:43:39 GMT -6
Think there is a definition clarification that needs to be had here.
Some of you saying Marino isn't mobile...are thinking Mobility = Rushing for yards.
Those that put Marino up there are thinking mobility in the pocket to buy time to throw.
My List:
Pocket Awareness:
Marino
Favre
Montana
Playmaker / Scrambling
Cunningham
Fran Tark
Young
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Post by kloranc on May 24, 2007 11:15:43 GMT -6
I think John Elway is the most underrated "mobile" QB. I am not a Broncos fan, but I can remember all those game-winning drives were you thought he was sacked for sure, and he always got away and made a big play.
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Post by coachg on May 24, 2007 13:32:34 GMT -6
How can Mike Vick not be the #1 most mobile guy. He runs a 4.3 40 has great moves and is the most prolific rushing QB's in the history of the NFL. I do agree that there are others that have a different type of mobility like a Montana anmd Marino with Pocket presence. Vick, Steve Young, and Cunningham are my top 3 mobile guys
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Post by mudslinger on May 25, 2007 8:33:01 GMT -6
Everyones forgetting about the guy who Vick took the record from......Bobby Douglas, He HAD to run for his life on every play......I'm a Viking fan and loved the Tark.......Great mobility and was able to see downfield with his back to the defense.......In todays game he would not be near as effective though as everyone knows" Speed Kills"........But i still say Bobby Douglas is my vote..........And I'm showing my age.........
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Post by coachsky on May 25, 2007 9:12:05 GMT -6
Fran Tarketon was unbelievable. In terms of his ability to escape the rush and turn a near sack into a postive gain - he was the best. If you ever get a chance to watch highlights he was really elusive.
I am not so sure he would have been as effective nowadays with the athletic freak shows at DE. DE used to have to play run defense also.
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Post by briangilbert on May 25, 2007 12:41:11 GMT -6
If Mike Vick played in Tark's era... He would have run for 3,000 yards!
Also he would have got away with murdering dogs (I hope he goes to prison on a side note).
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Post by coachd5085 on May 25, 2007 18:26:59 GMT -6
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Post by coachf on May 25, 2007 22:35:20 GMT -6
umm...Archie Manning anyone? I was thinking more along the lines of his son, Peyton. I would say that Peyton is elusive in the regards that he rarely takes a sack and is always stepping up into the pocket. Same for Tom Brady. However, most mobile...has to be QB Eagles (Cunningham). I always thought Brett Favre was pretty mobile as well. |
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Post by coachbleu on Jun 4, 2007 7:14:40 GMT -6
I don't know, but Randall Cunningham was a beast on Tecmo Super Bowl !!! Man I loved that game! |
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