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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 21, 2007 12:07:18 GMT -6
Coaches,
The wealth of knowledge and wisdom shared here is much appreciated.
As you share, I notice some of you clearly state where you coach while others could be from Alaska as easily as Alabama.
Not giving away too many hints to potential competition is understandable. Likewise, I understand the "this is who we are, see if you can stop us" ideology too.
Just curious what your opinion is on sharing x's and o's w/regard to identifying yourself and/or program.
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Post by knighter on Nov 21, 2007 12:10:48 GMT -6
I have openly shared ideas, have helped install DW at 2 schools who were our competitiors, and did so gladly. I got into coaching to help kids, and when given a chance to help some besides my own why not?
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Post by coachnichols on Nov 21, 2007 12:13:45 GMT -6
Not that I am some expert or on the radar of anyone, but I am and would be open. I have no problem sharing information and ideas. I just wish I had a job right now!
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 21, 2007 12:33:59 GMT -6
I'm in the group that doesn't care if you know where I coach at. Am I embarrased to let you know where I coached last year, so you won't get on the internet and look at our record before you listen to my advice?
We went 2-8 this season. The program had won 1 game in the last 4 years before my buddy took the HC job and brought me along. Most of the advice I give on here is what my philosophy is, but I couldn't run a lot of it this year due to knowledge level, and athlete level at a D-5 School in the Central Section of California.
I have often wondered about that myself...If you play a team more than once, then they KNOW what you do, and they can find out HOW you do it if they just ask anyone that runs a similar offense in another location. When I was attending Clinics while I was still playing in college, our DC would basically "give-away" our defensive playbook to coaches in our own conference if they paid the fee for the clinic.
90% of the time, it's the athletes that win games, and every once in a while you can "steal" one as a coach...but I've seen EVERY OFFENSE win championships, and EVERY OFFENSE lose every game...
As my old coach used to tell me when I was looking into getting into coaching, "Just remember, that no matter how hard you try...you can't make Chicken Salad out of Chicken _ _ _ _!"
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Post by dubber on Nov 21, 2007 12:48:24 GMT -6
When I read the title of this post, I thought of something else:
The size of a person's balls whenever they can hide behind a computer screen.
I imagine a lot of us are more cordial, and less hardarses than we protray ourselves on this site.
A disconnect exists between what is said, and reprisal for what is said (I cannot see you, hear you get mad, punch me, etc.)
That's why some threads get "testy" (not pun intended)
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Post by dubber on Nov 21, 2007 12:52:07 GMT -6
dubber- I have no clue to who you really are... What do you mean?
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Post by tog on Nov 21, 2007 12:54:46 GMT -6
This is my point as well. There are many here who know my real name and where i coach at. That doesn't mean I want it just flat out easy for someone to find out about me. Hackers and identity stealers are good enough without me making it completely easy for them by posting my name all over the place.
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Post by coachbw on Nov 21, 2007 13:03:09 GMT -6
I also think that as you spend more time on the board some of the anonymity goes away. There may be some local guys who you have figured out who they are and maybe even a few of the guys out of your area, but by spending time on here you start to learn who runs what system, for what size of school, and what obstacles they are trying to overcome. I know that over time, I have learned that when I am quickly scrolling through a thread I need to stop and read posts by Tog, Coach Huey, JD, CQMiller, Knighter, etc. Even though I don't know some of these guys personally, they have built up a credibility to me. The "Introduce Yourself" thread on the top of the board generally takes some of the anonymity out of it.
As far as sharing info . . . I will tell anyone who is interested my name, school etc. I will discuss anything we do with anyone who asks including rivals. I worked for a head coach who ran a no huddle offense and went to an in-state clinic and describe in detail how we call each of our formations and plays at the line. If an opponent wants to focus on that stuff instead of trying to stop us, so be it.
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Post by champ93 on Nov 21, 2007 13:23:10 GMT -6
Is it ironic the guy that started this thread didn't list his location? I'm just another student of the game who may have something intelligent to add occasionally. Some of the "fan sites" drive me nuts. We have something called "m-live" which is a plethora of idiots bashing each other. Anonymity makes people brave.
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 21, 2007 13:30:12 GMT -6
Anonymity makes people brave. Exactly...kinda like giving the finger in a car. I personally don't advertise exactly who I am because of a belief I've always had...keep your personal info off the internet. Maybe it's a little paranoia, but better safe than sorry.
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 21, 2007 13:32:53 GMT -6
Some of the "fan sites" drive me nuts. We have something called "m-live" which is a plethora of idiots bashing each other. Anonymity makes people brave. AMEN Brother !!!!!! The message boards for HS sports do way more damage than good, IMO.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 21, 2007 16:45:01 GMT -6
I understand why some guys don't want to share any personal information. I put my real name on all of my posts just because I think it facilitates some civility and decency.
Many times, I have typed something meanspirited out in anger only to realize that I wouldn't want my name attached to something so nasty.
I'm not saying that I haven't slipped up and made mistakes and posted hurtful things, but, putting my name on what I post does keep me honest!
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Post by phantom on Nov 21, 2007 16:55:49 GMT -6
Coaches, The wealth of knowledge and wisdom shared here is much appreciated. As you share, I notice some of you clearly state where you coach while others could be from Alaska as easily as Alabama. Not giving away too many hints to potential competition is understandable. Likewise, I understand the "this is who we are, see if you can stop us" ideology too. Just curious what your opinion is on sharing x's and o's w/regard to identifying yourself and/or program. I go by a handle out of habit. When I started going online that was the way it was done. If somebody cares who I am I tell him. I don't want some rival to just run a search and find out what we do, though.
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 21, 2007 17:23:55 GMT -6
I have shyed away from asking questions about certain job related things, just because I'm not sure it should be in the open.
Other than that, I'm an open book. We don't do a lot of the stuff I know real well. So some stuff we do run and other stuff we don't. It's not like I'm trying to throw somebody off.
Heck, we're not good enough for anybody to worry about scouting us anyway.
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Post by lionhart on Nov 21, 2007 17:27:06 GMT -6
personally, i keep mu name off the website for a couple of reasons. first, its the whole "identity theft" issue. (it happened to my sister... her identity resurfaced in ISRAEL and accrued $15,000 of debt!!!) so you can imagine my discomfort of putting my name on things. my other reason is that where i work, there are "higher-ups" who i often rip apart on various threads for how they treat our program. in the past, another coach from a school in my district was exposed doing the same thing on another site and was fired and blackballed from coaching. i cerftainly dont want to suffer the same fate... i need my teaching job + benefits - i have 3 kids. so i often find myself making co0mments about where i work that i wouldnt particularly care for my superiors to know about. does that make me a coward? i dont think so. i see this forum as an opportunity to rant and rave to an audience of guys who have all "been there, done that". i get to exchange messages with guys whose wives are ready to kick them out if they watcxh any more game film during sunday dinner, or guys who know what its like to put in 60+hours of preparation per week for a game and get blown off the field. i cant talk about these things with many people.... thats why i value this forum so much. if you REALLY want to know who i am, p.m me and its no problem... ive done it a few times. but in the end, does it really matter WHO each one of us is? to me, its more about the IDEAS we share and support we give each other. besides, i would hate to meet "ohantom" face to face and have my image shatterred!
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Post by lionhart on Nov 21, 2007 17:29:01 GMT -6
should have spelled "phantom"..... kind of ruined the joke.
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Post by phantom on Nov 21, 2007 17:59:16 GMT -6
personally, i keep mu name off the website for a couple of reasons. first, its the whole "identity theft" issue. (it happened to my sister... her identity resurfaced in ISRAEL and accrued $15,000 of debt!!!) so you can imagine my discomfort of putting my name on things. my other reason is that where i work, there are "higher-ups" who i often rip apart on various threads for how they treat our program. in the past, another coach from a school in my district was exposed doing the same thing on another site and was fired and blackballed from coaching. i cerftainly dont want to suffer the same fate... i need my teaching job + benefits - i have 3 kids. so i often find myself making co0mments about where i work that i wouldnt particularly care for my superiors to know about. does that make me a coward? i dont think so. i see this forum as an opportunity to rant and rave to an audience of guys who have all "been there, done that". i get to exchange messages with guys whose wives are ready to kick them out if they watcxh any more game film during sunday dinner, or guys who know what its like to put in 60+hours of preparation per week for a game and get blown off the field. i cant talk about these things with many people.... thats why i value this forum so much. if you REALLY want to know who i am, p.m me and its no problem... ive done it a few times. but in the end, does it really matter WHO each one of us is? to me, its more about the IDEAS we share and support we give each other. besides, i would hate to meet "ohantom" face to face and have my image shatterred! Man, is that good or bad?
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Post by touchdowng on Nov 21, 2007 19:30:02 GMT -6
People from my league know my handle if they are on this website. Not a big deal
Ive always enjoyed the fact that HS FB coaches tend to be an "open book" when it comes to sharing ideas. There is a sense of brotherhood in our sport, amongst coaches, that I don't see shared in others. Not all, but a huge majority.
It's not uncommon for "rival" coaching staffs to hang out at clinics and share ideas, etc. As a profession (I'm at the H.S. level), I think we do a good job sharing and helping others.
If I share a scheme with an opposing coach, during the off-season, the competitor in me still believes (right or wrong) that I still know enough to outdo my opponent.
It's US vs. THEM only 1 night out of the year.
Some people may disagree but I'm comfortable swapping ideas with anyone, at the right time. Just not the week or two before we play each other.
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Post by lionhart on Nov 21, 2007 20:30:15 GMT -6
hahahahahahahaha
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 21, 2007 21:50:50 GMT -6
my other reason is that where i work, there are "higher-ups" who i often rip apart on various threads for how they treat our program. That is my thinking, but more of should I tell any of the other coaches about this site. I did tell them earlier this year and I don't think they have checked it out, but I thought what if they make me mad about something. Most of you know I am brand new to coaching, so I would like to get some advice from you guys if a coach makes me mad before I go to them because there is a good chance I am wrong about what I was mad about. Also I am looking to move up so if I get a job offer and don't know what to do I wouldn't want the higher ups to know about it until I get all the information. By the way, I think that my HC is the greatest person alive, I swear I am going to name my next kid after him, with the knowledge he has I would of thought he invented football! Just in case PS the HC is a CSI detective and I am sure he knows what a perfect murder looks like
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Post by CoachDaniel on Nov 21, 2007 22:21:26 GMT -6
I've been coaching for 6 years now. One things I've noticed is that when I talk to young coaches from other schools, we sort of hide a lot like we're worried they'll find something out. Then I hear the old dogs, the head coaches of our district, just spilling the secrets of the world.
I keep my name off (well, last name) the website because I can't imagine anyone cares. I was a JV defensive coordinator for two years, we racked up an impressive 3-15 record. Somehow that equated to a promotion to varsity DC. We went 5-5 this year, best we've done since I arrived. Seriously, I'm available for clinics. For $3000, I'll come install my defense at your school. Thats more than my stipend.
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Post by brophy on Nov 21, 2007 22:30:34 GMT -6
I'll offer this
If I WERE a teacher, I totally understand the annonymonity........(did I spell that right). Political suicide if you reveal too much or even renounce your current program
For mercs like myself, who are NOT teachers, I feel that anything goes. You guys can send all the hate-mail, call me up, all you want, and it really has no bearing on my professional future. So what I say, is pretty much how I feel.....so you get what you get.
I think there is safety in annonymonity, but in this profession, sometimes the 'protection' offers more freedom.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 22, 2007 10:53:52 GMT -6
I think it also depends on where you are in regards to your program. As a feeder program coach who runs the same basic offense as the varsity, I'm obviously not going to be wide open with what we do on my own without some guidance from above.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 23, 2007 10:47:19 GMT -6
Scheme wise are there really any "secrets" any pearls of wisdom that truly will be the difference maker in getting a "W"? I'm not certain about where you all coach at but here we are trading at least 2 game films with each upcoming opponent- traded the entire season with our 1st round playoff opponent......... how much can you hide anyway? It comes down to Jimmy's and Joe's and how well we can teach them to execute a given scheme.
One of my pet peeve's is the canned clinic presentation that's given in an attempt to "not give anything away"- I don't want football 101 I want that coaches philospophy and beliefs, how he employs it and why........... give some meat dammit not just the garnish.
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Post by CoachJ on Nov 23, 2007 13:15:53 GMT -6
I keep my name off my posts because it isn't important WHO I am. I am just a football coach like anyone else on here. I present ideas and opinions and I think those ideas and opinions can stand on their own merit without associating that it was from me. If you like my idea or opinion, use it all you want. If you think i am full of it, then don't believe me. It doesn't matter to me either way.
Some coaches believe the only way to validate your opinion is to present all the success I have had and then and only then what I say is important or worthwhile. Those guys are likely people I wouldn't enjoy talking to in person anyway. I believe the common football coach has enough sense to weigh an opinion or idea and judge its merit for themselves.
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Post by coachcoyote on Nov 23, 2007 17:01:00 GMT -6
I'll sign my PM's, but only remain anonymous here due to possible Admin. availability. I no longer teach, but still coach at the HS level. My opinions and suggestions are my own and will hopefully stand up under anyone's scrutiny. However, and there always seems to be one nowadays, there are some that read an incorrect interpretation of what is written and all He!! can break loose.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 23, 2007 18:52:30 GMT -6
Anyone can say anything sitting behind their desk.
What I say can be validated, posted scores, posted video etc. Having your name in place means more accountability. My guess is there are probably a few unscrupulous guys that make things up because no one can validate what they say. No doubt a problem on many Boards where the posters remain anonymous.
The local HS coaches clinics I go to, the best HS coaches freely share much of what they do. On the surface these guys seem to all get along pretty well. Same goes for many of the best College coaches, they seem to be fairly open with what they do.
Because of what I saw at the HS clinics, The last 2 years I did free local clinics for youth coaches. We invited several of our competitors and it really helped build positive relationships with them and hopefully made them better coaches.
Did they run some of our same stuff back against us? A Little. Did they defend us better? Some, but it made for better games and we still did real well. I had a guy stop me after a game this year, a game we won very handily, He told me had read my book and watched the DVDs but decided against putting my stuff in, but complimented me none the less. So no biggie, my competitors go to my web site all the time and they frequent the youth forum Im a frequent poster at as well, who cares. Its up to us to out execute and out coach em. Every year we make a few tweaks, add/subtract make adjustments, it makes it more fun and challenging at the youth level anyways.
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Post by tog on Nov 23, 2007 19:06:56 GMT -6
dave--a clinic situation and this are two different things i totally see your point but this has served us well "rules of engagment" 8. There is no need to “validate” your posts on here by saying “so and so does this”, or “I have been coaching for X # of years”. Your ideas and thoughts will validate themselves by the logical and sound aspects with which you write or “speak” them. not having this has KILLED other boards with 1 or 2 posters overwhelming the entire thing we do not want that here if someone wants to post there name great if not great just because someone is anonymous doesn't mean they don't know anything there are a bunch of famous names on here people that choose not to have that known we respect their wishes we also respect what they have to say (if it is sound and has logic behind it)
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Post by davecisar on Nov 23, 2007 19:22:10 GMT -6
Was not a blanket statement, a few means a few. I know some here have tried to back their claim up with facts of how their team did this to so and so and yet remained anonymous.
Personally, I think its cool guys like airraider let us follow along with his team week by week, I found it a very interesting and compelling story. Brads challenges with his new gig are interesting as well, gald they chose to share that with us.
With 1,000s of members no doubt someone somewhere made a false claim. I doubt any "famous" coach would be part of that small group. If someone is talking schemes, technique etc who cares. If they are making claims with facts backed up with how their team did such and such vs so and so, then maybe it's another story JMHO.
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Post by tog on Nov 23, 2007 19:31:34 GMT -6
again it all boils down to
do their words make sense?
if not
dismiss it, no matter how matter how long they constantly preach they have been coaching, all the names they can drop, or how many "state championships" they claim to have won
it's the nature of this kind of board
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