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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 16, 2006 5:43:31 GMT -6
I pull out the paper to read about the INDIANA ALL STAR game and have to see a story with profanity in it....not once but twice! In the age that we are trying to teach players the RIGHT way... It's sad to see an "ALL STAR" player and coach using profane language. I remember the days that it wasn't printed or the words were edited... Yes it wasn't the F word BUT these are the "gateway" words to B@@$$, A@#$, F#$%.... I pride myself to use little to no profanity during the season. last year I cussed ONCE during practice... how many coaches and players can boast this?? nwitimes.com/articles/2006/07/16/sp...1ad0008dfcb.txt
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Post by coachjd on Jul 16, 2006 5:57:14 GMT -6
No place in high school athletics. The writer for the newspaper needs to understand what level he is working with as well. High school kids may say some things that they had no clue they even said, just due to lack of understanding the situations and common sense. The writer never should have put them in the article. Poor choice on his part.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 16, 2006 7:22:52 GMT -6
That is just plain bad by the journalist. Bad choice on thier part. There is no place for that. But it is also his editor's job to call him on it before it gets printed.
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Post by coachf on Jul 16, 2006 8:37:44 GMT -6
I think that stuff has no place in high school athletics let alone real life. I never cuss and have never cussed in front of any kids. In fact, I can't think of a time that I have cussed recently (I'll be honest, sometimes I will think of some choice words in my head). But, then again, my parents never swore and had no place for it in our house, so that may lead to me being so clean-mouthed.
A professor in college gave us a study in college that linked excessive swearing to a lack of vocabulary skills. The paper basically said a lot of people insert a cuss word in a sentence, because they do not have a strong enough vocabulary/or strong enough recall of their vocabulary to figure out the appropriate word to use. Ever since then I have strived even harder not to swear, because, basically it is linked to ignorance/stupidity.
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Post by brmurf on Jul 16, 2006 8:49:55 GMT -6
I have to assistants that are good Christian men (young to boot) that never use profanity. I, however, have a problem of blacking out and letting it fly on occasion, something that as i grow older get very embarrassed about. Well this spring a soph we have said coach how about we do pushups whenever we cuss, I was alright good idea and i will to. Lets say I could get to be about as big as I was 20 yrs ago! Seriously these two men are a great infuence on the kids and myself, my ignorance is becoming a thing of the past, and more importantly the kids seem to be losing it as well------which I beleive is making us a more disciplined team.
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Post by shakdaddy3 on Jul 16, 2006 9:40:42 GMT -6
I'm not here to start an arguement, but there are much worse things than profanity especially the ones used in the article. As an English major finishing up college, I find it very interesting the different takes people have on obscenity. Some of the brightest people I have encountered over my life have used it. It's one thing to use it in an emotional state, between friends, or when it slips. However, I agree that constant/consistent use of it definetly is bad and should be discouraged. Plenty of books that students read throughout HS have plenty of swears... heck, the "best" author of all time - Willie Shakespeare - used them to the point where editors had to take a good amount of them out. The best works part of the English canon have profanity such as Catcher in the Rye or Lord of the Flies.
With all of that said, I agree that as coaches we need to advise the kids not to use that language on a regular basis and to try and control it as best they can.
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Post by sls on Jul 16, 2006 15:37:26 GMT -6
The best works part of the English canon have profanity such as Catcher in the Rye or Lord of the Flies. hmmm...
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 16, 2006 15:44:52 GMT -6
just seems to be poor judgement by the reporter to include those words in his article.
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 16, 2006 19:12:11 GMT -6
If you're a sports reporter--especially a HS beat reporter--you edit the words liberally. It's one thing with the coach, but that is actually unfair to the kid I think. The word used is not the worst ever, but he owes it to the kid to edit the word out or use a different quote.
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Post by carson101 on Jul 17, 2006 4:58:27 GMT -6
I know in the heat of the battle us coaches (i.e. kids) can slip up now and again but It is still no excuse. If a reporter is printing it, well then he is just a idiot, especially if he quotes it. We are the example and should show extra disipline (sp) to our kids since thats what we expect of them. When I first started to coach I had a big cursing problem but as I find myself now the words just don't come out as they once did, I have learned to control my mouth and it makes a huge difference in how my kids contain theirs. If we do it, so will they. Set the standard and watch the kids follow. bad words
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 17, 2006 10:32:48 GMT -6
I'm not here to start an arguement, but there are much worse things than profanity especially the ones used in the article. As an English major finishing up college, I find it very interesting the different takes people have on obscenity. Some of the brightest people I have encountered over my life have used it. It's one thing to use it in an emotional state, between friends, or when it slips. However, I agree that constant/consistent use of it definetly is bad and should be discouraged. Plenty of books that students read throughout HS have plenty of swears... heck, the "best" author of all time - Willie Shakespeare - used them to the point where editors had to take a good amount of them out. The best works part of the English canon have profanity such as Catcher in the Rye or Lord of the Flies.
or e.e. cummings, Chaucer, Donne... it is ALWAYS the English majors who look at it from a linguistic point of view. Blasphemy bothers me- vulgarity does not. But as you alluded to, when working with people, most are offended by (or at least act like they are offended by) vulgarities...so I basically try to exclusively use my church/classroom/visiting grandma vocabulary at practice (some days are better than others) and especially when talking to media.
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