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Post by groundchuck on Jul 17, 2006 14:26:33 GMT -6
I read this quote in the Dallas News the other day about a transfer kid:
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[glow=red,2,300]The move to pass-happy Texas[/glow] benefits Witt. His main job at Lilburn Parkview was handing the ball off to Caleb King, the nation's top running back prospect (King is No. 4 on Rivals.com's Rival 100 national recruiting list). King almost broke Herschel Walker's state record with 2,768 yards last year.
Witt was rarely asked to throw, but he did surpass 1,000 yards and had 12 touchdown passes.
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Are some states really more "pass happy" as opposed to smashmouth? I know passing teams are coming on strong in the midwest but the smashmouth 2-3 back offenses are still going very strong around my neck of the woods. Especially come playoff time.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 17, 2006 14:36:17 GMT -6
did you see the michigan finals...tons of power T. i think the weather always dictates some of what we do....pa is turning to pu*&^y football cancelling games when IT RAINS! its a conspiracy to do away with blue collar football i tell ya!
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Post by enzpville on Jul 17, 2006 14:36:28 GMT -6
I think there is a lot of truth to what you say. But coming from the midwest myself, I think many coaches and fans make the excuse that weather has a factor on being an effective pass team. I really believe it is more the philosophical nature of the coach. Truth - in our state, a championship team will rarely if ever have more than 12 passes in a title game.
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Post by blb on Jul 17, 2006 14:41:58 GMT -6
In our league there isn't one 'T' team. Everybody either runs the Gun Spread exclusively or has it has part of their package.
It seems the majority of Michigan HS teams are either some version of Spread or 'T', the latter especially at smaller (Class B, C, or D) schools.
Not so many Pro, two-back offenses.
Back in the day, if Bo had put an outhouse on the 50-yard line of his practice field, there would've been outhouses on 300 HS fields the next afternoon.
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Post by lochness on Jul 17, 2006 16:04:44 GMT -6
Most of our state is 2-3 back offenses. Very little spread or oneback. I'd say 60-70% is wing-t or some derivitive of wing-t. We then split it up between 2-back pro style offenses and 3 back offenses (DW, Bone, Straight-T).
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 17, 2006 16:12:15 GMT -6
In our league there isn't one 'T' team. Everybody either runs the Gun Spread exclusively or has it has part of their package. It seems the majority of Michigan HS teams are either some version of Spread or 'T', the latter especially at smaller (Class B, C, or D) schools. Not so many Pro, two-back offenses. Back in the day, if Bo had put an outhouse on the 50-yard line of his practice field, there would've been outhouses on 300 HS fields the next afternoon. I think most of these guys are influenced by what OLivette did with the power T/tight wingt...i dunno. |
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Post by ttowntiger on Jul 19, 2006 22:33:59 GMT -6
Most of our state is 2-3 back offenses. Very little spread or oneback. I'd say 60-70% is wing-t or some derivitive of wing-t. We then split it up between 2-back pro style offenses and 3 back offenses (DW, Bone, Straight-T). Do you coach in Georgia? |
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Post by bulldogoption on Jul 19, 2006 22:39:41 GMT -6
Does it have anything to do with available time for practice? In a school with limited contact, I have always felt the passing game requires more practice time than the running game?
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Post by brophy on Jul 20, 2006 14:29:49 GMT -6
You Southern schools are a different ball game, because you are ALLOWED Spring ball....up North, 1) weather doesn't permit it 2) MOST states have rules against it (and contact hours in the summer, and the availability, or lack thereof, of school periods FOR football)
That additional time, lends itself to a more 'cerebral' heavy systems, where you can fiddle with scheme a great deal more.
I have heard that there is no difference in the football being played (in the South), just the parental involvement (which is very positive towards athletics down here).
"Influences" by region, or what? I'm not real sure what this thread supposed to be about, though
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 20, 2006 14:47:29 GMT -6
In GA you have a decent mix of "I" and Texas tech style teams, I would say most are some time of hybrid Wing-T or I however.
Witt's parents are a different story, groundchuck. His dad can be bought for the highest bidder and that's why there in TX. Witt's brother left a school in GA that was 10-2 and his father got in the paper and said, I want my son to win a championship and would play for any coach that can do that, thus they ended up at Parkview.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 20, 2006 15:06:22 GMT -6
"Influences" by region, or what? I'm not real sure what this thread supposed to be about, though Your post and the others are more or less the kinds of answers I was looking for. The things in various states/parts of the country that contribute to scheme and philosophy. For example, many schools having access to spring ball in the south. |
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Post by brophy on Jul 20, 2006 15:16:02 GMT -6
I see a lot of "tendencies" that filter down the geographical influences that trickle down from area Pro to college to HS......
I don't know what is the primary influence of the gun stuff in Texas (Texas Tech?)....but I am pretty sure the Wing T stuff that is real heavy in Iowa / Illinois was from Bob Reade's success in the 70's & 80's in Geneseo & Rock Island, IL........you see lots of true wingers, hybrids.....with more and more spread principles sprouting up all over (Hal Mumme at Iowa Wesleyan?) .
Shoot, I dunno.
I know, for instance, with Iowa being wildly successful in the past decade, lots of programs visit them to run specifically their brand of football (geographic) - I'm sure you find the same stuff elsewhere.
Now geographic limitations and freedoms (based on rules, regulations, mores, culture) play a unique role as well.
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Post by titan on Jul 20, 2006 15:42:54 GMT -6
in michigan i believe you see alot of differences based on the haves and have nots, schools that have great support, football tech class in the school, staffs that have been around(stability), and programs. they seem to run more of 2-3 back stuff but are able to get multible if they have to. the have nots seem to get into the offense or defense flavor of the month, northwestern offense a few years back, utah stuff recently,
just my opinion about michigan football.
by the way you tend to see more teams win state champs with very good run game and great defence.
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Post by phantom on Jul 20, 2006 21:24:33 GMT -6
in michigan i believe you see alot of differences based on the haves and have nots, schools that have great support, football tech class in the school, staffs that have been around(stability), and programs. they seem to run more of 2-3 back stuff but are able to get multible if they have to. the have nots seem to get into the offense or defense flavor of the month, northwestern offense a few years back, utah stuff recently, just my opinion about michigan football. by the way you tend to see more teams win state champs with very good run game and great defence. That's not just in Michigan. The good programs have a well defined philosophy that they understand thoroughly-doesn't matter if it's Power I or Run and Shoot-while the others just throw crap against the wall and hope that some sticks. |
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Post by phantom on Jul 20, 2006 21:26:48 GMT -6
I see a lot of "tendencies" that filter down the geographical influences that trickle down from area Pro to college to HS...... I don't know what is the primary influence of the gun stuff in Texas (Texas Tech?)....but I am pretty sure the Wing T stuff that is real heavy in Iowa / Illinois was from Bob Reade's success in the 70's & 80's in Geneseo & Rock Island, IL........you see lots of true wingers, hybrids.....with more and more spread principles sprouting up all over (Hal Mumme at Iowa Wesleyan?) . Shoot, I dunno. I know, for instance, with Iowa being wildly successful in the past decade, lots of programs visit them to run specifically their brand of football (geographic) - I'm sure you find the same stuff elsewhere. Now geographic limitations and freedoms (based on rules, regulations, mores, culture) play a unique role as well. I'm sure that you're right. A few years ago it seemed that, by law, teams in Delaware and eastern Maryland were required to run Wing T. |
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Post by spreadattack on Jul 21, 2006 9:13:40 GMT -6
That's not just in Michigan. The good programs have a well defined philosophy that they understand thoroughly-doesn't matter if it's Power I or Run and Shoot-while the others just throw crap against the wall and hope that some sticks. Yeah, I do wonder about cause and effect though. If you're not good and have a poor base you're more likely to try something new--if you're good and established you stick with what works year in and year out. Most of the good and new stuff comes out of smaller programs that want to experiment, on the other hand I've seen lots of teams go belly up because they watch a team score 35 on Saturday or Sunday and want to start from scratch. |
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Post by coachcb on Jul 21, 2006 9:21:31 GMT -6
In our conference there are-
2 Air Raid Spread teams
1 Flexbone
1 Delaware Wing
1 Splitback
1 H-back attack
7 Multiple Offenses
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Post by phantom on Jul 21, 2006 11:06:04 GMT -6
That's not just in Michigan. The good programs have a well defined philosophy that they understand thoroughly-doesn't matter if it's Power I or Run and Shoot-while the others just throw crap against the wall and hope that some sticks. Yeah, I do wonder about cause and effect though. If you're not good and have a poor base you're more likely to try something new--if you're good and established you stick with what works year in and year out. Most of the good and new stuff comes out of smaller programs that want to experiment, on the other hand I've seen lots of teams go belly up because they watch a team score 35 on Saturday or Sunday and want to start from scratch. Nothing wrong with experimentation and innovation. I'm talking about grab-bagging, running veer this week, wing t the next etc.. You see teams that run a few I plays, some Wing-T, a little this, a llittle that and no philosophy. We have a team in our league that was bad. Their coach was a grab-bagger- offense of the week. When he left (his string of 1-9s got him college job. LOL) his DC took over and installed the Wing T. They were bad the first year and semi-bad the next. Now they look to be ready to be pretty good. The difference is that they have an identity, a philosophy, now. |
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Post by blb on Jul 21, 2006 11:19:36 GMT -6
Agree with phantom 100%. You need to be known for something, and you should coach what you know.
Plus, if you're always changing, the kids will lose confidence in the coaching rapidly. Not to mention they won't be able to execute a new offense week-to-week, or even year-to-year.
Programs are built through vertical continuity and constant repetition, not constant change.
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