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Post by wiaa3 on Oct 29, 2007 17:37:34 GMT -6
I am just wondering what you guys think is the easiest offense to put in. Just curious to see if it is Wing-T, Jet, Pro-I stuff, etc.
Thanks.
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Post by brophy on Oct 29, 2007 18:19:51 GMT -6
NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
5......4.......3.....2......
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 29, 2007 18:31:40 GMT -6
I formation is pretty simple
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Post by dubber on Oct 29, 2007 18:39:57 GMT -6
I am just wondering what you guys think is the easiest offense to put in. Just curious to see if it is Wing-T, Jet, Pro-I stuff, etc. Thanks. what level? what skill set? |
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Post by tog on Oct 29, 2007 18:43:32 GMT -6
the answer is easy
the one you know
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Post by CVBears on Oct 29, 2007 20:07:09 GMT -6
what's the over/under fot number of replies before this one gets ugly?
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Post by wiaa3 on Oct 29, 2007 20:11:49 GMT -6
I didn't even really check out the other threads to see if this topic was discussed before. Sorry fellas! I will check out the other threads.
Haven't been on the site for a while. My bad.
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Post by dubber on Oct 29, 2007 20:18:03 GMT -6
what's the over/under fot number of replies before this one gets ugly? good call |
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Post by eickst on Oct 29, 2007 20:53:14 GMT -6
I formation isn't an offense, it's a formation.
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Post by superpower on Oct 30, 2007 5:14:14 GMT -6
Why would anyone want to install something that is easy? I tell young people all the time that the easiest way is rarely the best way. Why not roll up your sleeves and get to work on something that involves coaching 'em up with attention to detail. If it is easy to install, it might also be pretty easy to defend.
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Post by tog on Oct 30, 2007 5:53:20 GMT -6
I didn't even really check out the other threads to see if this topic was discussed before. Sorry fellas! I will check out the other threads. Haven't been on the site for a while. My bad. \ That's fine. Some people are more sensitive to this kind of stuff than others. Let's do this easy how? the one with the fewest number of base plays that can then still work? or the one where the base plays have the most carryover? simplest for the OL, or simplest for the skill guys? we can take this anyway you want |
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 6:07:26 GMT -6
I formation isn't an offense, it's a formation. ok let me try this again to make it more clear I toss sweep I power I counter trey I formation iso I fb trap I fb counter trap waggle can be pretty easy to install, the I formation can include more difficult series to install such as belly option, midline and veer as well. |
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Post by tedseay on Oct 30, 2007 7:35:00 GMT -6
I am just wondering what you guys think is the easiest offense to put in. Just curious to see if it is Wing-T, Jet, Pro-I stuff, etc. Thanks. The Single Wing with a straight power series (4 plays), a counter half-spin series (4 plays), and a small passing game (5 plays including a screen & Statue of Liberty). And a quick kick. And a fake quick kick. Seriously. |
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Post by ducej11 on Oct 30, 2007 7:54:26 GMT -6
Why are you looking for an easy offense? Is it the kids that you are not sure can handle something a little more complex? It really depends.
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 30, 2007 8:20:34 GMT -6
Listen to Steve talk about the I formation.......could it be he has grown to like it more than the double wing? (NAH).  I think the key (well A KEY anyway) is to know your kids skill set and what you want to accomplish. Option is "easy" if you rep it and hang your hat on it. We just got beat in the playoffs by a spread team who made throwing a 45 yard streak down the sidelines look easy. I think there are offensive systems that are more intensive on a certain position than others. "I" formations offenes need a TB and a FB to really make them go. Without them it is not an easy offense. |
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Post by knighter on Oct 30, 2007 8:45:30 GMT -6
common mistake for people who do not run the DW is too think it is simple to install/coach. Good DW coaches work their butts off everyday paying attention to the smallest of details...in my book DW is just like any other offense, it is as easy or as complex as you want to make it, and any good coach pays attention to every detail, so if you want "ease" do not run DW. The blocking rules are quite simple for the kids to understand, but it can be made as complex package wise as anything else. Not sure "ease" is a factot in deciding one offense over another...best to run what you know and understand best and can make adjustments quickly with. It is also best to run something you can do multiple things out of without having to completely change.
Example...DW (because it is what I run) has been good in years where our skill positions have not been spectacular...we lined up and pounded the ball out of our base set.
When we had a decent set of skills, we ran more formations, and threw the ball a little more
When we had decent speed we ran more sweep
When we were smaller we ran more misdirection
When we had a QB who could read the option, we ran a little of it
Same can be said for almost any offense, it ain't rocket science. Coach what you know and tailor the packages you focus on most around the talent you have.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 9:01:41 GMT -6
Listen to Steve talk about the I formation.......could it be he has grown to like it more than the double wing? (NAH). I think the key (well A KEY anyway) is to know your kids skill set and what you want to accomplish. Option is "easy" if you rep it and hang your hat on it. We just got beat in the playoffs by a spread team who made throwing a 45 yard streak down the sidelines look easy. I think there are offensive systems that are more intensive on a certain position than others. "I" formations offenes need a TB and a FB to really make them go. Without them it is not an easy offense. nah, very little real misdirection with the I formation as far as IM concerned, I much prefer the double wing with its motion and hidden fullback and multiple pullers etc. I do think that the I formation plays I have listed are pretty easy to install. the single wing can be pretty easy too once you get the snap down but as always if a coach is going to have an oline that can block to run the ball theres a bunch of details that have to be covered regardless of the offense chosen (and or formations chosen) to me the option offenses are the most difficult to install (been there, done that and still have the 3-6-1 record to prove it)...and Id never tell anyone that the double wing offense is easy to install, its not easy to run the ball well, it takes many reps and alot of attention to detail. |
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Post by dubber on Oct 30, 2007 9:11:21 GMT -6
common mistake for people who do not run the DW is too think it is simple to install/coach. . Good point. I happen to think Air Raid is just as easy to install as DW. Both are predicated on high repetition of a few base plays coachhuey.proboards42.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1193157911&page=1#1193243575this is a conversation we had last week about philosophy of football. You need to decide what your philosophy of football is, then you can pick a scheme (which you can make as simple or as complicated as you want) BTW, is simplicity something you want solely because you want a high level of execution, or is it because your team is new to football? It comes down to this: [glow=red,2,300]What do you believe wins football games?[/glow] |
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Post by knighter on Oct 30, 2007 9:13:00 GMT -6
depends on the type of I formation you use. I have seen several I teams that have a very solid misdirection package using Counter Trey or Wing or Slot utilizing motion. In fact a 2 time state champ in Iowa is an I wing/slot guy and his misdirection is quite good.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Oct 30, 2007 9:13:09 GMT -6
I am going to go with the old version of the Augustana Wing-T. The version that Bob Reade used when they won the four straight national championships minus the counter trey that was used only one year because he had two OL that could pull it off.
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Post by canesfan on Oct 30, 2007 9:15:14 GMT -6
The easiest offense to coach is the one you know best and can competently teach. As far as basics, a power running game from the power I could be easy to learn. The single wing could be fun, and isn't seen much where I'm from, plus there are always things you could add if you wanted. I would stick with the tried and true concepts in it, but thats just me. If you want passing, the Leach Air Raid, didn't he say he could teach his entire offense in a few days? Anyway you look at it, no matter what offense you teach, it takes alot of practice to get the "lttle things" perfected.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 9:23:52 GMT -6
depends on the type of I formation you use. I have seen several I teams that have a very solid misdirection package using Counter Trey or Wing or Slot utilizing motion. In fact a 2 time state champ in Iowa is an I wing/slot guy and his misdirection is quite good. right you are, we do those things and I still prefer the misdirection from the double wing with crossing wings etc. |
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Post by knighter on Oct 30, 2007 11:07:51 GMT -6
no question steve...but we are both from the darkside...I with a wing limits that counter to 1 side only....unless you utilize motion and come back....lol...always putting things into my brain for future use.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 11:54:02 GMT -6
The I formation has been great for blasts and powers and waggle too for our team...
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Post by lochness on Oct 30, 2007 14:14:04 GMT -6
The "I" still has some good "whoz gut the ball" value to it, though...
It may not be true "misdirection," but a well executed triple option, belly (double dive), or crossbuck (or running an offense that has all 3 elements) certainly keeps defenses honest and makes it very difficult to find the football!
When you combine these in with
Counter Trey
Wing or Slot Counter
Wing or Slot Reverse
FB Counter
...I believe you can design an offense that is just as deceptive as any other can be. In fact, in some ways, I believe you have an advantage OVER the more traditional "misdirection" offenses like Wing-T, because people don't expect as much misdirection out of the "I"...they tend to follow the FB or TB and take their angles based on that. So, you have a chance to surprise them with some split-flow stuff or some counter with the Z.
This is a lot how the offense I like to run works. I love the "I," but I also love the principles of the DW and the Wing-T, so the system we run reflects appropriate elemets of each. It's not a grab bag, though...it all fits together.
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 30, 2007 18:01:59 GMT -6
I think you can do some decent misdirection if you use slots and motion to create a 3 back set, but pro I formation just isnt the wizards choice for fooling anyone. My opinion though.
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