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Post by coachlock on Nov 6, 2006 22:00:52 GMT -6
My AD has told me that my principal is determined to not renew my coaching contract. Should I let him fire me or resign from coaching. He can't touch me teaching for the remainder of the year. Does it matter resign vs. fired? I will probably seek an assistants job not another head job.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 6, 2006 22:10:41 GMT -6
What can be gained by making the principal fire you?
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2006 4:44:22 GMT -6
I would talk to the principal and make sure the Ad isnt just using the principal for his own dirty work...perhaps its the AD who wants you gone. never know...
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Post by wildcat on Nov 7, 2006 5:41:09 GMT -6
I would talk to the principal and make sure the Ad isnt just using the principal for his own dirty work...perhaps its the AD who wants you gone. never know... ...or maybe the principal is using the AD to do HIS dirty work. Where I am at, if a decision is made to not re-hire a coach, especially a head coach, the coach would be informed by the building principal, not the AD. I would definately ask the principal what his plans are, but based on this and previous posts made by you in regards to your present coaching situation, consider this a blessing!
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Post by tog on Nov 7, 2006 6:58:25 GMT -6
What can be gained by making the principal fire you? In Texas, some HFC/AD's are on multiple year contracts, so if they fire you and you have another year left some of those guys just take a year off and sell sporting goods or something to double dip money wise. I don't think I would ever want to do that though, I want to be on the field.
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Nov 7, 2006 8:09:29 GMT -6
Saw this situation last year. The union and everybody else will say make him fire you. Personally, that is stupid. Just resign. Find another job and get a new start.
I love schools when they do this. Administrators have no backbone when they pull this crap.
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Post by superpower on Nov 7, 2006 8:14:47 GMT -6
I went through this situation a year ago, and people were telling me to make them fire me. I couldn't see any good in that for anyone, so I resigned and began a job search. By early March I had accepted my current position, and it couldn't have worked out better.
I will say that it would be difficult to answer questions in an interview about being fired; but having resigned, you can say that you just felt it was time to make a move for your career. You are, in my opinion, much better off going ahead and resigning as soon as possible.
Remember, when one door closes, another one opens.
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Post by herky on Nov 7, 2006 8:19:18 GMT -6
I will say that it would be difficult to answer questions in an interview about being fired; but having resigned, you can say that you just felt it was time to make a move for your career. You are, in my opinion, much better off going ahead and resigning as soon as possible. Remember, when one door closes, another one opens. I agree.
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Post by jacket4life on Nov 7, 2006 12:29:56 GMT -6
Ditto what herky and superower said.
Also am familiar with what tog said, being in TX.
I couldn't do it either, though. I'd resign and get a job....
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Post by optionguy on Nov 7, 2006 12:45:22 GMT -6
Arrange a meeting with the principal and tell him what the AD told you. If he has any decency at all, he will level with you personally or in a meeting w/the AD. I'm an administrator, and our AD tried to remove a coach once by telling the coach what you were told (w/o my knowledge). When I learned about it from the coach, guess who was removed? BTW, if someone is removed from my staff, I do it myself; I never have anyone else do it. It is unpleasant to dismiss someone, and it's not right for the principal to have someone else do it for him/her; thus, I think a direct approach on your part will give you the answers you seek.
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Post by coachlock on Nov 7, 2006 15:40:13 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I resigned. The principal told me nicely that if I quietly resigned and didn't make it an issue he would help me 100%, if not he would make me miserable. I don't agree with it at all and it ticks me off. All of my present staff is refusing to continue to coach. A few angry parents were behind this. But I have a family to take care of and that is more important. I have a very good reputation in my area and I want to keep it.
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 7, 2006 15:51:44 GMT -6
Had a similar situation about 10 years ago - part of me still thinks I should have challenged the Headmaster (private school) as the parents later told me they would have gone after him! Like Superpower said, one door closes and another opens. My current position is great - kids, parents, admin, etc - so you just never know. I know I asked someone else this on another post but what is your teaching area? We hire 3-4 new teachers every year.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 7, 2006 16:44:17 GMT -6
well, no sense in staying where you are not wanted...you might be luckier than you know.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 7, 2006 17:29:18 GMT -6
I would say resign. I was in this exact situation last season (except we went 5-5 and made the playoffs) and I chose to resign. I figured if I resigned I would be able to explain it however I wished in an interview, while if you are fired they will probably listen to the reasons of your previous employer more than you.
At least you know early. I had really no idea until mid March. By then most stuff had dried up. I would advise if you are going to resign to do so before Christmas so you have some time to find your new gig and don't end up in a crappy holdover job.
Hey life gets better. I'm not real thrilled with my current job, but I am thankful nearly everyday that I don't have to put up with the crap I did last season.
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Post by superpower on Nov 8, 2006 8:02:55 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I resigned. The principal told me nicely that if I quietly resigned and didn't make it an issue he would help me 100%, if not he would make me miserable. I don't agree with it at all and it ticks me off. All of my present staff is refusing to continue to coach. A few angry parents were behind this. But I have a family to take care of and that is more important. I have a very good reputation in my area and I want to keep it. To me it sounds as though they did you a favor. If a principal intended to make you miserable, you don't need to be in that situation anyway. You will be better off with a fresh start. Have faith that things happen for a reason.
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Post by coachm on Nov 8, 2006 8:15:40 GMT -6
Thanks guys, I resigned. The principal told me nicely that if I quietly resigned and didn't make it an issue he would help me 100%, if not he would make me miserable. I don't agree with it at all and it ticks me off. All of my present staff is refusing to continue to coach. A few angry parents were behind this. But I have a family to take care of and that is more important. I have a very good reputation in my area and I want to keep it. Sorry to hear this coachlock but as others have said, in my expereinces, this works out for the best for you.
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coachf
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Post by coachf on Nov 8, 2006 8:39:20 GMT -6
I would say resign. I was in this exact situation last season (except we went 5-5 and made the playoffs) and I chose to resign. I figured if I resigned I would be able to explain it however I wished in an interview, while if you are fired they will probably listen to the reasons of your previous employer more than you. At least you know early. I had really no idea until mid March. By then most stuff had dried up. I would advise if you are going to resign to do so before Christmas so you have some time to find your new gig and don't end up in a crappy holdover job. Hey life gets better. I'm not real thrilled with my current job, but I am thankful nearly everyday that I don't have to put up with the crap I did last season. Thank you for giving the crap to me. It is a joy to work in this wonderful district....by joy I mean horrible death sentence and by wonderful I mean rathole. ;D
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Post by coachcb on Nov 8, 2006 9:31:19 GMT -6
Two years ago, I was in your shoes. Crappy situation all around; terrible season, angry and outspoken, parents, new HC (great guy and great coach - don't get me wrong) and an angry AD. I thought I'd get out of the season with my job, simply because I was low-man-on-the-totem-pole. A parent called the AD and complained that I was swearing on the sideline- it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I admitted to swearing during the season, but the AD was furious about the whole thing and was going to do a formal investigation (he took a lot of crap from the parents that season). He wasn't going to find anything that I hadn't already admitted to, but I didn't want have a firing on my record or do any more damage to the program. Hauling 50 kids into the office 1 by 1 to ask them qs about my mouth wasn't called for. The HC is a great guy and he didn't need to deal with anymore BS.
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Post by playfast on Nov 8, 2006 11:41:46 GMT -6
What ever happened to community and school staff support? Things get tough and everyone loses their head and the coach must go. Believe in your philosophy and see it through. Hard work and dedication will pay off!!!
I'm sure if in the same situation I would move on with my head high knowing I did the right things to be successful. Sometimes it just does not work out. The principal and AD will always have problems with parents but they need to support the coach and staff. Everyone has to be on board and unfortunatley principals and jobs as such are becoming political.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 8, 2006 14:14:07 GMT -6
Thank you for giving the crap to me. It is a joy to work in this wonderful district....by joy I mean horrible death sentence and by wonderful I mean rathole. ;D You're quite welcome. Isn't it a great place to work? They suck you in and don't let you realize how bad it sucks until you're in that place don' they? ;D
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