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Post by wingt74 on Feb 8, 2008 15:21:11 GMT -6
And, have you ever had to paint the #'s on your lineman's arses so one of your RBs wouldn't forget?
Seriously, curious here.
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Post by knighter on Feb 8, 2008 16:13:08 GMT -6
Technically speaking my answer is a combination of 2 answers. We are even to the right and odd to the left BUT we do not number holes, we number linemen.
LTE is X/7
LT is 5
LG is 3
C does not have a "number" but left cheek could be 1 and right cheek could be 0
RG is 2
RT is 4
RTE is 6
Left WB is 9/A
Right WB is 8/C
FB is B
Our play calling is based on the ball going to the furthest back from the point of attack in a 2 digit number, and to the B Back (FB) in a 1 digit number
SO we can run 2 Wedge (means we wedge block at the point of attack which is 2 and give the ball to the B Back)
88 Power the Left WB is furthest back from point of attack (8) so he carries the ball and we use our "power" blocking scheme at the point of attack.
Sounds confusing at first, but is actually the most simple method I have ever been involved with.
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Post by justwingit on Feb 8, 2008 16:37:39 GMT -6
Similar to knighter -- we number left cheek of center 1/right cheek 0 -- then area between right cheek of center to right cheek of RG is 2, right cheek of RG to right cheek of RT is 4 and so on.
Delaware ran the holes 1-9 right to left -
I worked for a program that flipped their line and the holes would change depending on which side was strong. example a Right 44 would be an outside veer right - and a Left 44 would be an outside veer to the left.. It was complicated to me but that's probably because it was just something i wasn't used to.
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Post by knighter on Feb 8, 2008 16:45:16 GMT -6
wingit----me too....first coaching job as a volunteer was for a wing t program who flopped their line...was 100% different than HS and College systems I was used to. Took some learning to figure it out. Still too complimicated for me! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2008 17:07:40 GMT -6
I prefer a systme just like Knighter's.
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Post by tye2021 on Feb 8, 2008 17:37:49 GMT -6
Not coaching now but this is the system that I played under since youth ball. Also the system that I with the last youth team that I coached.
LEFT
LWR =9
LTE/HB =7
LT =5
LG =3
C =1 LT CHEEK
RIGHT
C =0 RT CHEEK
RG=2
RT=4
RTE/SB=6
RWR =8
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Post by amikell on Feb 8, 2008 18:34:01 GMT -6
delaware wing t: players not holes
9: left wing or outside
8: LTE
7: LT
6: LG
5: C
4: RG
3: RT
2: RTE
1: R Wing or outside
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Post by coachnichols on Feb 8, 2008 18:46:31 GMT -6
Don't number holes.
ONE=BACK GUN
Zone=cheek of the guard and cut
Speed option=pitch relationship
Stretch=run to the edge, stay behind pulling linemen, and find a gash
Iso=lead into B gap
Power= follow the guard or tackle
Counter=follow the guard and tackle
Trap=off the pulling guards butt, A gap
Draw=sell the fake, run off the guard's block
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Post by 20x on Feb 8, 2008 18:56:31 GMT -6
When I was the OC at my last job we numbered our holes evens right and odds left. Now that I am at the college level we do number our plays but the the numbers really don't give a specific landmark.
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Post by leighty on Feb 8, 2008 21:52:46 GMT -6
We don't number holes. Our guys just memorize the aiming points.
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Post by okpowerspread on Feb 8, 2008 23:01:59 GMT -6
We do odds left and even for right as far as defensive scouting, but on offense we have aiming points and just go right and left.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2008 0:32:36 GMT -6
Played under several different systems, and coached a few more
I think the simplest method is the "no number" methods. Formation, "play" (blocking scheme), direction. No numbers. Ex. Half (formation) Zone (play/scheme) Right (direction).
Also been a part of a Player number system, but we flipped flopped our line, so that was a little tougher to conceptualize at first. WT 5 WG 3 Wbut cheek of C 1 SG 2 ST4 STE6 (wing t team).
Play call consisted of ball carrier, player "hole", and then blocking scheme. To much verbage for me. Ex. Close (formation) 35x (player/hole/scheme). Once you got used to it, it was pretty simple (35x, which was belly, is always run behind "john". Bucksweep always run towards "Ted")
Been a part of a odds left, evens right scheme.
Personally, I don't think there is ever a need for the backs/numbers system. Teach backfield action associated with play name, coach an aiming point, and the "play name" has a scheme attached (or is the scheme name)
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Post by carookie on Feb 9, 2008 1:15:41 GMT -6
I never painted backsides, but I once put tape on my centers fingers and then wrote the numbers on the tape (ie right index-2, right middle-4, etc etc)
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 9, 2008 4:30:11 GMT -6
we use braille
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Post by fbdoc on Feb 9, 2008 9:59:34 GMT -6
Used to have numbers but now go with names and coach path/aiming point. Formation call and then Sweep Right on 1. Toss Left on 2... the call and the snap indicate any motion. We also have tag calls but our players (and coaches) really like this way better.
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Post by carson101 on Feb 9, 2008 12:31:41 GMT -6
I think we still draw the plays in the dirt.......sometimes
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 9, 2008 19:55:40 GMT -6
we have no numbers
we have paths with a given name that attack each hole and we call if we are running to the right or to the left
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Post by tedseay on Feb 10, 2008 5:56:57 GMT -6
delaware wing t: players not holes 9: left wing or outside 8: LTE 7: LT 6: LG 5: C 4: RG 3: RT 2: RTE 1: R Wing or outside Me, too -- still using that good old single wing numbering scheme from Crisler's days at Meeeshigan -- except the numbers stay with the positions, right or left. |
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 10, 2008 17:37:32 GMT -6
Other - The guard is the 2 hole to both sides, we tag the side with a color. Blue 42 was the FB to the right guard.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 10, 2008 17:50:24 GMT -6
And, have you ever had to paint the #'s on your lineman's arses so one of your RBs wouldn't forget? Seriously, curious here. Not the #'s, but a former HC put L/R on the TB's shoes for a short time. He got that Blue was right, but he didn't know where right was. He eventually figured it out and got rid of the letters. |
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Post by k on Feb 10, 2008 18:11:26 GMT -6
we have no numbers we have paths with a given name that attack each hole and we call if we are running to the right or to the left Coach define path for me. Is a path an uncovered lineman? I was thinking about trying something similar to that. If this is the case I'd love a breakdown pros and cons. =) |
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 10, 2008 18:25:12 GMT -6
well i got it from speckman, each back has paths depending on if they are playside or backside( when we are in splitbacks) If we are in any single back formation than he has whatever is called,
each path attacks a different hole, now we can attack a hole with multiple paths in splitbacks depending if we are oging with or away from motion.
Dive- A gap
Belly- B gap
Devil- C gap
Slice also hits A gap
Power- also hits C gap
no matter what formation, if we call belly left, RB knows he is running through left B gap
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Post by enzpville on Feb 10, 2008 21:51:55 GMT -6
I have found that dependent upon your coaches experience and thought process using verbage has been the most difficult thing for coaches to accept. They discuss aiming points and linemen knowing where the play is going and it's the way it was always done. But if football is about repetitions, then does it really matter if you number or not. Even if a player doesn't get reps, how well do you think he will run the play even if he knows the number of the hole? I know there are many that would defend their side of things as well but in the end how one conceptualizes things is the key to whether or not you use it.
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Post by hoptions on Feb 10, 2008 22:36:51 GMT -6
I recently left a program that used names for every play. We had a lot of missed blocking assignments and confusion. So the HC and I sat down and came up with a numbering system that gives direction and count using one number. Blocking scheme using then next, and then a third number for the play on the wrist band.
Example
236: 2 being even so play goes to the right and all plays to the right are on 1, 3 tells the linemen who to and who not to block, and 6 tells the specialty players that we are running play 6 in the 30 series (36).
The middle number is a “series number” and tells the linemen the blocking scheme and the wide outs weather or not we are passing the ball. So 236 would be outside veer to the right on one, and the linemen know to leave the EMOLS unblocked. Each “series number” has a different meaning to everyone.
Unfortunately I did not get a chance to see the new system in work this past season however I heard only great things.
Not sure it that makes any sense to anyone, simply put the first number is direction and count, the last two numbers are the play.
I am now thinking about modifying it again to eliminate the constant checking of the wrist coach, by making the last number (6) signify and aiming point for the backs.
Hoptions
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Post by fish on Feb 12, 2008 7:57:25 GMT -6
we flip our line and the hole numbers with the strength of the formation.
doesn't seem like too many people do that any more...
one thing we have done in the past to help the backs, especially at the lower levels, is give the linemen their jersey that has their hole # on it
for example:
te: 88
tt: 76
tg: 62
c: 50
sg: 63
st: 75
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Post by coachmason on Feb 14, 2008 12:24:13 GMT -6
We flip our line. So the number goes from strength to weak 1-9.
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