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Post by spreadattack on Jan 11, 2024 9:20:43 GMT -6
With Saban retiring, I am curious what are one or two football/coaching things -- could be scheme, technique, development, etc -- that you have taken from Saban and used successfully. Could be something big (a whole defensive package, or coverage) or something small (small technique coaching point, or method of communication) or something else. For me personally, I am not a specific Saban-ite running Cover 7 with all of the specific tags/checks/variations, but I'd say I have learned more about coverages and pass technique from studying Saban than anyone else, and while I don't use it specifically (please don't quiz me on whether something is "Clamp," "Cut" or "Cougar"  ) it's definitely seeped into my thinking. Further, I don't try to overdo coach-isms as life advice (a lot of "daily grind!" type stuff), but I always thought Saban's bit about the "Illusion of Choice" was accurate, and even a bit sobering. If you want to be successful, well, "it takes what it takes". |
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Post by brophy on Jan 11, 2024 9:58:30 GMT -6
1. No nonsense approach to grinding for the satisfaction of perfection. So many before him would sugar coat the success pyramid. He has always presented the cost required to achieve any greatness.
2. The MSU/LSU playbooks as a comprehensive program syllabus. He lays everything out from the calendar, expectations, glossary,defense & scenario checks....its exhaustive because he intentionally defines what success is, rather than leaving it open to interpretation.
3. Communication. Understand the glossary terms and you're able to unlock the entire playbook. That streamlined method to use terms that capture very specific meanings is th le glue to holding his player developlemt together.
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Post by knightfan64 on Jan 11, 2024 10:43:43 GMT -6
I think a general principle of his that I try and apply to both life and football is that you play the game a certain way and the score does not matter. Basically, the opposite of the ends justify the means. The idea of if we do our job and do what we can to 100% effort and do it the right way that the end result will take care of itself.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 11, 2024 13:08:08 GMT -6
1. No nonsense approach to grinding for the satisfaction of perfection. So many before him would sugar coat the success pyramid. He has always presented the cost required to achieve any greatness. 2. The MSU/LSU playbooks as a comprehensive program syllabus. He lays everything out from the calendar, expectations, glossary,defense & scenario checks....its exhaustive because he intentionally defines what success is, rather than leaving it open to interpretation. 3. Communication. Understand the glossary terms and you're able to unlock the entire playbook. That streamlined method to use terms that capture very specific meanings is th le glue to holding his player developlemt together. All of the above and more. I remember being a Cover 3 coach until I hired a DC who understood Rip/Liz and ho-lee-balls did it change how I schemed on defense. From there it was Quarters and zone match, then man match and so on down the rabbit hole. Jimmy/Pony stunt....it goes on and on. The trickle down influence he has had on the game can't be measured. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 11, 2024 15:27:50 GMT -6
Its the Irish Diplomacy of selling this to people in the age of GETMINE
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 11, 2024 16:14:02 GMT -6
The Saban defense in the last few years has opened my eyes to a whole new level of defense. Everything from the importance of different types of run fits instead of just static "Max fits" (which are highly problematic when you are playing some of the 2-high coverages), to the different types of coverage as far as man, spot zone, zone-match, and man-match, to his comprehensive gameplanning approach
It's ironic to me that Saban has been quoted as saying he wants his gravestone to write here lies the man who couldn't figure out how to run 2-high coverage, and yet, he has created probably the most complete, comprehensive, and quality 2-high package of anyone in the country, particularly his man-match Quarters coverage family (Cover 7).
A big fan of his modular approach to defense...
There's "The Process"...That's probably the engine that keeps all the other machinery in the car running.
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Post by CS on Jan 11, 2024 17:15:29 GMT -6
The Saban defense in the last few years has opened my eyes to a whole new level of defense. Everything from the importance of different types of run fits instead of just static "Max fits" (which are highly problematic when you are playing some of the 2-high coverages), to the different types of coverage as far as man, spot zone, zone-match, and man-match, to his comprehensive gameplanning approach It's ironic to me that Saban has been quoted as saying he wants his gravestone to write here lies the man who couldn't figure out how to run 2-high coverage, and yet, he has created probably the most complete, comprehensive, and quality 2-high package of anyone in the country, particularly his man-match Quarters coverage family (Cover 7). A big fan of his modular approach to defense... There's "The Process"...That's probably the engine that keeps all the other machinery in the car running. He said he couldn’t figure out how to play cover 2 |
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Post by tripsclosed on Jan 11, 2024 23:20:10 GMT -6
The Saban defense in the last few years has opened my eyes to a whole new level of defense. Everything from the importance of different types of run fits instead of just static "Max fits" (which are highly problematic when you are playing some of the 2-high coverages), to the different types of coverage as far as man, spot zone, zone-match, and man-match, to his comprehensive gameplanning approach It's ironic to me that Saban has been quoted as saying he wants his gravestone to write here lies the man who couldn't figure out how to run 2-high coverage, and yet, he has created probably the most complete, comprehensive, and quality 2-high package of anyone in the country, particularly his man-match Quarters coverage family (Cover 7). A big fan of his modular approach to defense... There's "The Process"...That's probably the engine that keeps all the other machinery in the car running. He said he couldn’t figure out how to play cover 2 Do you have the article or video where he talked about this, I did a deep search and couldn't find anything on it...I hate it when this happens lmao. I could have swore he said 2-high (or now I'm thinking maybe he said split-safety? Because he likes to use that term a lot), I definitely don't remember him saying Cover 2 specifically, it was just 2-high (or split-safety) defense in general... Regardless, his Cover 2 package, especially his man-match Cover 2, turned out to be pretty solid. I don't know why he said that unless it was just to be humble or something haha |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 12, 2024 0:14:16 GMT -6
It's intersting on the 2 high/splt coverage thing as to where Patterson or Saban did it 'first'
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 12, 2024 10:50:32 GMT -6
He said he couldn’t figure out how to play cover 2 Do you have the article or video where he talked about this, I did a deep search and couldn't find anything on it...I hate it when this happens lmao. I could have swore he said 2-high (or now I'm thinking maybe he said split-safety? Because he likes to use that term a lot), I definitely don't remember him saying Cover 2 specifically, it was just 2-high (or split-safety) defense in general... I think he meant traditional Cover 2, but he was also making a joke (and the hosts kind of stepped on his punchline). |
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Post by Defcord on Jan 12, 2024 11:30:50 GMT -6
The importance of the eyes as part of performance is something that I really embraced because of Coach Saban. As a coach or player to maximize potential you have to have great eye discipline. I’ve been doing this twenty years and one of the biggest catalysts for improving players across the board had been placing a high emphasis on eye discipline.
Also Coach’s ability to embrace change has been hugely impactful on an old stubborn asss like me.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 12, 2024 14:09:50 GMT -6
The importance of the eyes as part of performance is something that I really embraced because of Coach Saban. As a coach or player to maximize potential you have to have great eye discipline. I’ve been doing this twenty years and one of the biggest catalysts for improving players across the board had been placing a high emphasis on eye discipline. Also Coach’s ability to embrace change has been hugely impactful on an old stubborn asss like me. YES! I won't say I got it from Saban, but before I crawl a kid the first thing I ask is "What did (read key) do?" |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2024 16:36:52 GMT -6
I won't say I got it from Saban, but before I crawl a kid the first thing I ask is "What did (read key) do?" Maybe I heard it from a Sabanite, but that was always the first thing I asked a kid. Dating back to 2005. |
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) it's definitely seeped into my thinking. Further, I don't try to overdo coach-isms as life advice (a lot of "daily grind!" type stuff), but I always thought Saban's bit about the "Illusion of Choice" was accurate, and even a bit sobering. If you want to be successful, well, "it takes what it takes".
