2ndand6
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Post by 2ndand6 on Nov 9, 2023 6:31:57 GMT -6
If you had a 30 minute block where you had a majority of football players during the school day, Monday-Thursday what would you want to accomplish during that time? Let me say that we lift after school on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays. We have the weight room available, but the kids would be in school clothes. With that being said, what would you do with this time? Speed, plyo's, balance, lifting, football theory. What would you specifically do for your program? Thanks for any and all responses.
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Post by CS on Nov 9, 2023 7:08:09 GMT -6
If you had a 30 minute block where you had a majority of football players during the school day, Monday-Thursday what would you want to accomplish during that time? Let me say that we lift after school on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays. We have the weight room available, but the kids would be in school clothes. With that being said, what would you do with this time? Speed, plyo's, balance, lifting, football theory. What would you specifically do for your program? Thanks for any and all responses. Teach scheme, watch film, run some plays, teach drills, have some sort of leadership training going, get to know them as people not players, do fun sh!t sometimes |
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Post by veerwego on Nov 9, 2023 8:43:40 GMT -6
If you had a 30 minute block where you had a majority of football players during the school day, Monday-Thursday what would you want to accomplish during that time? Let me say that we lift after school on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays. We have the weight room available, but the kids would be in school clothes. With that being said, what would you do with this time? Speed, plyo's, balance, lifting, football theory. What would you specifically do for your program? Thanks for any and all responses. Teach scheme, watch film, run some plays, teach drills, have some sort of leadership training going, get to know them as people not players, do fun sh!t sometimes Very good, this! Monday - Get on white board and teach scheme with kids taking notes and drawing in a playbook. Explain the whys. Tuesday - Watch film and discuss the scheme. Wednesday - Character Ed. Thursday - Walkthrough the scheme, maybe even run it against bags if you can. Friday - Fun Friday Perhaps spend more than one week on key schemes. That being said, I am a big believer in Dr. James Andrews idea that you should always take 3 months off from any repetitive sports related activity. I think there is a mental break aspect as well. It is HS football for heaven's sake, so it does not need to be 12 months per year. Maybe don't start this until March, Feb at the earliest when they have already had 2-2.5 months off. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 9, 2023 8:44:31 GMT -6
Back squat heavy.
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2023 9:53:17 GMT -6
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 9, 2023 10:53:52 GMT -6
YES. Most wear jeans or sweats anyway.
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Post by CS on Nov 9, 2023 11:10:13 GMT -6
YES. Most wear jeans or sweats anyway. Jeans? |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 9, 2023 11:25:27 GMT -6
How good or bad are their grades? Seems like a great time to get homework or studing done.
All A's play 2K or help others.
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2ndand6
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Post by 2ndand6 on Nov 9, 2023 12:29:39 GMT -6
If they need help/or to take a test they go to those teachers during this time. We just implemented it this year. During the season we spent the majority of the time on HUDL. Any kid that is failing/needs help can get it. I want it to be meaningful especially since you are talking 2 hours per week with your football kids. I have roughly 30-45, 7-12th graders in this group.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 9, 2023 12:34:07 GMT -6
It's the answer to everything. |
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Post by raider92 on Nov 9, 2023 12:47:09 GMT -6
YES. Most wear jeans or sweats anyway. Jeans? True story, I once had a big farm kid who's mom wouldn't let him play football. After a lot of working on her he finally got the OK. He walked into the weight room (straight off the farm) on the day we were maxing out excited to tell me she had said yes. I told him we would gladly take him and he was now part of the team. I looked up a few minutes later and he had taken me literally. The kid was maxing out his squat in his jeans, work boots, and a tucked in Case IH t-shirt. Keep in mind this kid had never lifted a day in his life. He was hitting 315 like it was nothing in jeans and boots. He ended up being a pretty good OL/DL as you can imagine. |
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moose18
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Post by moose18 on Nov 9, 2023 12:48:56 GMT -6
would love 30 minutes of film time during school if they are lifting at other times.
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CoachK
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Post by CoachK on Nov 9, 2023 13:05:30 GMT -6
Yeah some of y'all have never coached rural ball and it shows. Some places have more carhartt than nike.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Nov 9, 2023 13:14:37 GMT -6
Film, walkthrus, study hall. 30 minutes isn't enough time to get dressed and have a workout.
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2023 13:31:24 GMT -6
What time of the school year is this - In-Season or Out-of-Season?
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Post by CS on Nov 9, 2023 13:39:09 GMT -6
Yeah some of y'all have never coached rural ball and it shows. Some places have more carhartt than nike. I’m from Arkansas. It’s all rural ball |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 9, 2023 13:41:55 GMT -6
Film, walkthrus, study hall. 30 minutes isn't enough time to get dressed and have a workout. It is if you do just two sets of trap bar and two sets of deadlift. I know this will sound 100% conceited and 100% a falsehood, but I could get your team contributors to average max bench over 240 and max over 500 trap bar deadlift doing just that once a week every week for a year. And I wouldn't blame you for thinking I was crazy. Hell, if I hadn't done just that at three different schools, I wouldn't believe it either. Now, we did workout twice a week, and this is only once a week. That is why I dialed it back a little and didn't say 258 and 548. It is literally amazing what teenagers can accomplish when they push and pull heavy ass weight and rep out with it. Contributors = someone who plays in meaningful downs on a Friday night. For us, that is usually 17-22 guys. |
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2023 13:51:04 GMT -6
Film, walkthrus, study hall. 30 minutes isn't enough time to get dressed and have a workout. It is if you do just two sets of trap bar and two sets of deadlift. I know this will sound 100% conceited and 100% a falsehood, but I could get your team contributors to average max bench over 240 and max over 500 trap bar deadlift doing just that once a week every week for a year. And I wouldn't blame you for thinking I was crazy. Hell, if I hadn't done just that at three different schools, I wouldn't believe it either. Now, we did workout twice a week, and this is only once a week. That is why I dialed it back a little and didn't say 258 and 548. It is literally amazing what teenagers can accomplish when they push and pull heavy ass weight and rep out with it. Contributors = someone who plays in meaningful downs on a Friday night. For us, that is usually 17-22 guys. OP said he has "majority of football players" (don't know how many that is) for 30 minutes "in school clothes." Have trouble seeing him getting that done in his situation. |
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2ndand6
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Post by 2ndand6 on Nov 9, 2023 14:30:19 GMT -6
The time frame is 9:54am-10:27am Monday-Thursday. Kids mostly in sweats/joggers and Hoodies. My thought process is you have a lot of this group that is doing a winter sport so the lifting aspect of this time period would be beneficial. But I really enjoyed the hudl/scheme aspect. For the record we are a dtdw team.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 9, 2023 14:46:19 GMT -6
Do y'all never have kids work out in regular clothes? It really isn't an issue and the kids don't mind. I have been at some schools with no athletic period, so you sometimes just have to grab a kid and get a workout in. For instance, we worked out in the mornings. The kid had a teacher's meeting or Bible study in the morning, so he misses. If he has a study hall or a 15 minute break, he just jumps right in and does the workout. Could have jeans and boots on for all I care. The warmup can take 1 minute. Do two sets of bench and two sets of trap bar and boom. Can literally be done in 15 minutes. AND, if you lift heavy and rep out, I would bet that the results you can get right there are better than 90% of high school weight programs. I know it sounds crazy. But I have seen it! I am saying the results can be better. Not the lifting in jeans, no athletic period, having an hour to workout, etc is better. Of course I would rather have those things ALL the time, but legitimate question following: How many times do you get your entire time all together in a perfect lifting environment 5 days a week? Meaning, no one is absent all week for any reason. You have school all 5 days. There isn't an assembly. No shortened periods that week. There isn't a baseball or basketball game. Etc. How many weeks does that actually happen? It is like 0 weeks out of the year everywhere I have been, so I have found ways to maximize every moment and chance I get and have these few things to be the most important above ALL else. 1) lift year round 2) do the real lifts - bench, squat, clean, deadlift ( We actually don't clean anymore. Ha). 3) lift heavy. 4) Rep out - because repping out eliminates the need for a perfect set rep scheme and cycle. Too many things happen like missed workouts, injuries, sickness, ball games, etc to have everyone on some perfect set/rep mesocycle protocol where you do 30 different lifts, etc. RANT and RAMBLING over.  |
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Post by CS on Nov 9, 2023 18:00:15 GMT -6
Film, walkthrus, study hall. 30 minutes isn't enough time to get dressed and have a workout. It is if you do just two sets of trap bar and two sets of deadlift. I know this will sound 100% conceited and 100% a falsehood, but I could get your team contributors to average max bench over 240 and max over 500 trap bar deadlift doing just that once a week every week for a year. And I wouldn't blame you for thinking I was crazy. Hell, if I hadn't done just that at three different schools, I wouldn't believe it either. Now, we did workout twice a week, and this is only once a week. That is why I dialed it back a little and didn't say 258 and 548. It is literally amazing what teenagers can accomplish when they push and pull heavy ass weight and rep out with it. Contributors = someone who plays in meaningful downs on a Friday night. For us, that is usually 17-22 guys. Yeah repping out is a fuking game changer. |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 9, 2023 18:07:19 GMT -6
Yeah some of y'all have never coached rural ball and it shows. Some places have more carhartt than nike. If I were still coaching, I think my late season coat would be a Carhartt with the team logo. |
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Post by CoachK on Nov 9, 2023 18:38:51 GMT -6
It is if you do just two sets of trap bar and two sets of deadlift. I know this will sound 100% conceited and 100% a falsehood, but I could get your team contributors to average max bench over 240 and max over 500 trap bar deadlift doing just that once a week every week for a year. And I wouldn't blame you for thinking I was crazy. Hell, if I hadn't done just that at three different schools, I wouldn't believe it either. Now, we did workout twice a week, and this is only once a week. That is why I dialed it back a little and didn't say 258 and 548. It is literally amazing what teenagers can accomplish when they push and pull heavy ass weight and rep out with it. Contributors = someone who plays in meaningful downs on a Friday night. For us, that is usually 17-22 guys. Yeah repping out is a fuking game changer. What does that mean? To failure? |
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Post by CS on Nov 9, 2023 19:16:38 GMT -6
Yeah repping out is a fuking game changer. What does that mean? To failure? We stop at 10. I think silky goes to failure |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 10, 2023 7:27:23 GMT -6
If you had a 30 minute block where you had a majority of football players during the school day, Monday-Thursday what would you want to accomplish during that time? Let me say that we lift after school on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays. We have the weight room available, but the kids would be in school clothes. With that being said, what would you do with this time? Speed, plyo's, balance, lifting, football theory. What would you specifically do for your program? Thanks for any and all responses. If they're anything like the people I teach/coach, they're all in sweats anyway. Biggest issue would be footwear. But it takes 2m to remove a croc and tie up a shoe? Monday- Curved Sprints + Decel + COD-A Tuesday- Linear Speed via Dale Baskett Wednesday- Yoga Thursday- Linear Speed via Tony Holler "Atomic Sprint" Can't get to the track? Use a hallway |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Nov 10, 2023 7:44:43 GMT -6
You could read "Chicken Soup for the Teenager" with them and do a book study.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2023 12:36:05 GMT -6
What does that mean? To failure? We stop at 10. I think silky goes to failure We go to failure, but our highest planned reps is 8. So most kids aren't get many more than 10 anyways. Now some younger, inexperienced kids will sometimes get 15-20, but that is mainly because there max isn't correct. During the season, we continue to rep out on upper body, but we stop at what I call a "plus 1" on legs (deadlift, squats, cleans, etc.). So if the planned reps that day is 3, you would stop at 4. If it was 8, you would stop at 9, etc. |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 11, 2023 10:50:48 GMT -6
We stop at 10. I think silky goes to failure We go to failure, but our highest planned reps is 8. So most kids aren't get many more than 10 anyways. Now some younger, inexperienced kids will sometimes get 15-20, but that is mainly because there max isn't correct. During the season, we continue to rep out on upper body, but we stop at what I call a "plus 1" on legs (deadlift, squats, cleans, etc.). So if the planned reps that day is 3, you would stop at 4. If it was 8, you would stop at 9, etc. We use Coach Silkyice’s program with a little more assistant than described but I am telling you drink the cool aid!!!! |
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 11, 2023 20:56:06 GMT -6
We lift without any shoes on.
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Post by freezeoption on Nov 12, 2023 13:58:32 GMT -6
Had a kid break his foot this year with no shoes on. Roger Frreborn had a football class, maybe look into that.
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