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Post by blb on Oct 18, 2023 10:05:55 GMT -6
Or "Gator Roll" if that's what you call it.
Apparently because of lower leg injuries to ball carriers (Cowboys' Tony Pollard on Monday night vs. Chargers for ex.)
Already tough enough to play defense.
Next step - Flag Football?
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 18, 2023 10:13:17 GMT -6
If they can show with film and data that it leads to lower leg injuries to ball carriers, why wouldn't we ban it? We have banned plenty of other things in the past because of injury concerns, why should this be any different/where do you draw the line?
I'm big on looking out for competitive balance/parity with respect to offense vs defense, but minimizing injuries should take priority over concerns of the defense's job getting tougher.
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Post by fantom on Oct 18, 2023 10:32:45 GMT -6
Or "Gator Roll" if that's what you call it. Apparently because of lower leg injuries to ball carriers (Cowboys' Tony Pollard on Monday night vs. Chargers for ex.) Already tough enough to play defense. Next step - Flag Football? Wait a minute. The Hip-drop and gator roll are NOT the same thing. A hip-drop involves wrapping up then intentionally dropping your weight on the runner's legs. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Oct 18, 2023 10:45:01 GMT -6
I think they should ban it. It's basically all the same dangers of a horse collar tackle.
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Post by fantom on Oct 18, 2023 10:52:22 GMT -6
I think they should ban it. It's basically all the same dangers of a horse collar tackle. Really, it's the part of a horse collar that makes it dangerous. |
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Post by blb on Oct 18, 2023 10:57:41 GMT -6
Or "Gator Roll" if that's what you call it. Apparently because of lower leg injuries to ball carriers (Cowboys' Tony Pollard on Monday night vs. Chargers for ex.) Already tough enough to play defense. Next step - Flag Football? Wait a minute. The Hip-drop and gator roll are NOT the same thing. A hip-drop involves wrapping up then intentionally dropping your weight on the runner's legs. Okay, won't disagree. Don't know if NFL Competition Committee will though. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 18, 2023 12:04:42 GMT -6
Could someone here post a link to video or at least a description of what's meant by this?
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 18, 2023 13:05:36 GMT -6
Is it still as in the explainer here? |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 18, 2023 13:09:05 GMT -6
If you hit up high, the possibility of helmet to helmet contact increases. So now we can't hit low??? This is outrageous.
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Post by bobgoodman on Oct 18, 2023 13:15:49 GMT -6
From what I can see from the NRL Explainer, after the grab and twist, I'd imagine there to be many situations where the tackler than can't help but land with most of his weight on the lower extremities of the ballcarrier. And how is it any worse than tackling from behind around the waist and sliding down with one's shoulder landing on the thighs or legs without any preceding twisting of the ballcarrier?
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Post by blb on Oct 18, 2023 14:48:39 GMT -6
Or "Gator Roll" if that's what you call it. Apparently because of lower leg injuries to ball carriers (Cowboys' Tony Pollard on Monday night vs. Chargers for ex.) Already tough enough to play defense. Next step - Flag Football? Wait a minute. The Hip-drop and gator roll are NOT the same thing. A hip-drop involves wrapping up then intentionally dropping your weight on the runner's legs. How does an official determine tackler "intentionally" vs. "unintentionally" dropping their weight on ball carrier's legs? Sounds like Supreme Court justice who said "I don't know definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it." In other words, strictly judgment. Like penalizing a defender who wraps up QB from the front, takes him straight back to to the ground, and gets flagged for using his body weight on the tackle. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 18, 2023 15:53:10 GMT -6
Wait a minute. The Hip-drop and gator roll are NOT the same thing. A hip-drop involves wrapping up then intentionally dropping your weight on the runner's legs. How does an official determine tackler "intentionally" vs. "unintentionally" dropping their weight on ball carrier's legs? Sounds like Supreme Court justice who said "I don't know definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it." In other words, strictly judgment. Like penalizing a defender who wraps up QB from the front, takes him straight back to to the ground, and gets flagged for using his body weight on the tackle. They can't determine intentions. That's why the targeting rule sucks sometimes too. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 18, 2023 16:00:36 GMT -6
How does an official determine tackler "intentionally" vs. "unintentionally" dropping their weight on ball carrier's legs? Sounds like Supreme Court justice who said "I don't know definition of pornography, but I know it when I see it." In other words, strictly judgment. Like penalizing a defender who wraps up QB from the front, takes him straight back to to the ground, and gets flagged for using his body weight on the tackle. They can't determine intentions. That's why the targeting rule sucks sometimes too. Kinda or a lot like how our legal system convicts and punishes people to serve as a deterrent to potential wrongdoers even though it's possible for them to convict and punish innocent people sometimes... |
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Post by agap on Oct 19, 2023 18:11:38 GMT -6
I agree, this isn't Hawk Roll. I'm fine if they ban this across all levels.
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 19, 2023 18:52:14 GMT -6
Or "Gator Roll" if that's what you call it. Apparently because of lower leg injuries to ball carriers (Cowboys' Tony Pollard on Monday night vs. Chargers for ex.) Already tough enough to play defense. Next step - Flag Football? LOL! And QB's should have to wear pink panties. |
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Post by irishdog on Oct 19, 2023 19:15:24 GMT -6
Whatever happened to teaching good old shoulder tackling? Maybe giving away my age here. I was taught to always use my shoulders whether tackling or blocking (obviously the passing game changed blocking with the shoulders). NEVER was taught to lower my head when tackling but always taught to sink my hips (which lowered my shoulders), keep my eyes up, and tackle from under the shoulder pads to the waist. My coach would go nuts if we tackled above the shoulders, and pulled us off the field if we did. Always ran THROUGH the tackle, not TO the tackle. It's how I taught tackling when I was coaching. Whatever they call it today tackling at ALL levels of football is atrocious.
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Post by tog on Oct 23, 2023 20:26:57 GMT -6
Or "Gator Roll" if that's what you call it. Apparently because of lower leg injuries to ball carriers (Cowboys' Tony Pollard on Monday night vs. Chargers for ex.) Already tough enough to play defense. Next step - Flag Football? might as well be |
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Post by arsskate on Nov 8, 2023 7:05:07 GMT -6
We need a penalty for ballcarriers using their head as a weapon. Sheer hypocrisy that they call helmet to helmet on the defense for incidental contact that is often caused by the receiver lowering his head.
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Post by brettdj on Nov 8, 2023 8:24:20 GMT -6
We need a penalty for ballcarriers using their head as a weapon. Sheer hypocrisy that they call helmet to helmet on the defense for incidental contact that is often caused by the receiver lowering his head. I have called it on the ballcarrier. I have seen it called on the ball carrier in NCAA D1. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2023 10:58:59 GMT -6
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 8, 2023 15:46:31 GMT -6
Now I'm confused...the first clip is what I thought a "hip drop" tackle is. Then the every other clip on the video is ball carriers getting suplexed. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 8, 2023 16:48:28 GMT -6
Now I'm confused...the first clip is what I thought a "hip drop" tackle is. Then the every other clip on the video is ball carriers getting suplexed. Yeah, the video is terrible. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2023 18:15:28 GMT -6
Now I'm confused...the first clip is what I thought a "hip drop" tackle is. Then the every other clip on the video is ball carriers getting suplexed. Yeah, the video is terrible. Agree. I googled, watched the first clip, and posted. Ha |
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