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Post by hback41 on Oct 8, 2023 20:12:41 GMT -6
I have a player who is being recruited by schools from Power 5 to D2. Tons of interest. 1 D2 offer. The one offer is a blessing. It's also weird that he gets a personal invite to Power 5 schools, but the FCS schools are not showing interest and the FBS schools don't offer. He is a 3.0 student, has all of the physical measurables, great on film, 2x all-area basketball player, respectful, etc.
I talked with a coach today. They asked me why I felt that the offers were not happening. I gave my answer. He said that it just did not make sense that he is not getting offered. They said that they would be offering once the HC was able to talk with the kid. The coach said that they really are full at his position, but he looks special.
The coaches at the D2 school where he got the offer said that he should not really fall to them, but they were going to offer anyway. The coach ended up saying that some schools play the waiting game hoping to get a kid who falls through the cracks on a PWO.
I see why it is the way it is. I'm not sure this is any worse than how it was back in my day, to be honest. Most of us did not know if we were getting offers until the official visit in Dec-Jan. Yet, it is frustrating for the family when the kid does everything that coaches have asked, they continue to chat, but no offer.
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Post by coachscdub on Oct 8, 2023 20:19:20 GMT -6
What state and do you have a film link?
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Post by mattharris75 on Oct 8, 2023 23:15:36 GMT -6
I think it's worse due to the transfer portal. It's having a trickle down effect to the lower college levels. I have a kid with the same issue right now, and it's frustrating...
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Post by bulldogsdc on Oct 9, 2023 7:18:57 GMT -6
PORTAL
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Post by hback41 on Oct 9, 2023 9:52:55 GMT -6
What state and do you have a film link? We are in WA. Stats through week 5 41 tackles 10 TFL, 4 sacks, 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, 1 forced fumble, 2 recoveries, 1 blocked kick 2 catches 55 yards 1 TD. Here is his week 1-5 video. Had a Pick 6 this week (Week 6) www.hudl.com/v/2Ljgq7 |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 9, 2023 10:50:18 GMT -6
I can't speak to whether or not the kid is a D1 player as I never coached one. I will say though that colleges, for the most part, don't care about stats outside their size.
Had a RB gain 4200 yds rushing in 2 years and never received a look from any level outside D3 because he was small.
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Post by CoachK on Oct 9, 2023 11:11:45 GMT -6
The portal is a factor, but there is also a weird phenomenon that nobody wants to be the first d1 offer. I'm at a JUCO right now and we see it every year, nobody wants to stick their neck out and potentially be wrong on a kid. Once he gets one, he'll get 5 more the next week.
Help him get the dam broken.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 9, 2023 11:13:00 GMT -6
Kid can play coach... I agree with what the other guys have said about the portal. About half of the high school kids will get offers now as a coach can pickup 10 kids in the portal if they need to. That's 10 less kids they need to offer at the HS level.
There should be a similar number of scholarships offered each year, but if you are a walk-on who gets to play and are not on scholarship at a school. Get your film out, and go into the portal to get a scholarship. There are going to be a lot more walk-ons moving forward.
I'll pass his film along to some of the FCS guys I know and see if they are interested. I also have some NAIA contacts in the midwest as well. 6'3" 230 is usually a frame people will take a chance on.
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Post by fantom on Oct 9, 2023 11:45:34 GMT -6
Kid can play coach... I agree with what the other guys have said about the portal. About half of the high school kids will get offers now as a coach can pickup 10 kids in the portal if they need to. That's 10 less kids they need to offer at the HS level. There should be a similar number of scholarships offered each year, but if you are a walk-on who gets to play and are not on scholarship at a school. Get your film out, and go into the portal to get a scholarship. There are going to be a lot more walk-ons moving forward. I'll pass his film along to some of the FCS guys I know and see if they are interested. I also have some NAIA contacts in the midwest as well. 6'3" 230 is usually a frame people will take a chance on. D2 schools may become like JUCOs. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 9, 2023 12:05:39 GMT -6
I know the portal and the COVID year have affected recruiting, but At some point the portal thing needs to be evened out right? I mean in order to be a player in the portal who is desired by FBS coaches, you are likely an FBS scholarship player already right? By sheer logical and deductive reasoning, these guys will eventually be out of eligibility and replaced by other portal players. I mean, if this is how it's going to go then high school guys still need to get offered in order to be one of those portal guys later. Right???
Obviously as high school coaches we don't think this is ideal at all, but in order to have a functioning college system, eventually a high # of high school players will still need to be recruited and offered.
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 9, 2023 12:36:18 GMT -6
Don't forget that kids get like 8 years to play college football too.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 9, 2023 12:40:10 GMT -6
I know the portal and the COVID year have affected recruiting, but At some point the portal thing needs to be evened out right? I mean in order to be a player in the portal who is desired by FBS coaches, you are likely an FBS scholarship player already right? By sheer logical and deductive reasoning, these guys will eventually be out of eligibility and replaced by other portal players. I mean, if this is how it's going to go then high school guys still need to get offered in order to be one of those portal guys later. Right??? Obviously as high school coaches we don't think this is ideal at all, but in order to have a functioning college system, eventually a high # of high school players will still need to be recruited and offered. Lots of HS kids gonna have to walk-on, then get a scholarship after earning playing time and either getting offered at school they walked-on to or put name in the portal and try to get one that way. Bama will still recruit the TOP talent in the country, but they can just snag 2 or 3 kids from the portal if they miss or have injuries that give them a position of need. Think of it like the college football playoff... the top 10% it doesn't affect, but the other 90% are the ones that are screwed. |
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Post by brophy on Oct 9, 2023 12:50:47 GMT -6
Worth listening to or sharing with parents about the current state of covid & portal backups for offers
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Post by coachscdub on Oct 9, 2023 20:16:56 GMT -6
I have a player who is being recruited by schools from Power 5 to D2. Tons of interest. 1 D2 offer. The one offer is a blessing. It's also weird that he gets a personal invite to Power 5 schools, but the FCS schools are not showing interest and the FBS schools don't offer. He is a 3.0 student, has all of the physical measurables, great on film, 2x all-area basketball player, respectful, etc. I talked with a coach today. They asked me why I felt that the offers were not happening. I gave my answer. He said that it just did not make sense that he is not getting offered. They said that they would be offering once the HC was able to talk with the kid. The coach said that they really are full at his position, but he looks special. The coaches at the D2 school where he got the offer said that he should not really fall to them, but they were going to offer anyway. The coach ended up saying that some schools play the waiting game hoping to get a kid who falls through the cracks on a PWO. I see why it is the way it is. I'm not sure this is any worse than how it was back in my day, to be honest. Most of us did not know if we were getting offers until the official visit in Dec-Jan. Yet, it is frustrating for the family when the kid does everything that coaches have asked, they continue to chat, but no offer. Just watched his film. Here's my two cents. Kid is definitely a good ball player but i dont know what position he plays, or would play for us (in college). He's a little too light to play DE (His listed position), not sure if he has the specs that most coaches would look for at ILB. Not saying he cant add weight and play DE, but it would also help to see him get reps more at DE. Could be an OLB/DE hybrid body, but that is scheme specific which limits what schools would consider him, also in his film he's never playing OLB so it's even more projection. No offensive highlights, not sure what the scheme is for yall and/or how much he is used/targeted, but he has a good frame for being a TE but again with no film of it, it's projection. One thing i've learned in my time at my current spot is that unless a kid is truly truly incredibly athletic to the point where coaches are telling themselves "We can play him anywhere", than not having a true position on film can limit his ability to be recruited, which sucks for you guys because he's obviously an important player to you and you guys need him where you need him. But in our recruiting meetings i hear it over and over and over from our Defensive coaches "He's good, but im not sure where he fits" and this has caused some guys to get dropped from our board, because if we have a need at DE, than for the most part we are going to recruit a kid who has shown that he is a good DE, not a kid who we think/hope can be one. Again, this is how i've interpreted it. If the kid has any Offensive highlights, tell him to add them to his film ASAP. |
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Post by hback41 on Oct 9, 2023 21:16:18 GMT -6
Thanks. That makes perfect sense because the idea of what position he will play has been part of the conversations. He is primarily a backer. We play him at TE and wing. He has gravitated towards defense, and we are mostly 2 platoon. So, this is his first year full time on offense.
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 10, 2023 2:44:38 GMT -6
I see that he is a senior. It is unlikely that he will get a D1 offer as they are mostly filled and keep a few spots open for the portal
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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2023 6:47:46 GMT -6
Kids I’ve had like that have to get on campus to get offers.
If they aren’t getting invited for visits or camps directly send them anyway. It’s too late for a senior but I had a kid like yours that 6’4 215 and everyone told him they liked him but didn’t offer. He went to camp and got offered that day. Went to another camp following week and another offer. After that other schools started offering him and inviting him for official visits. This was summer before his senior year.
I’ve only had one kid get offered without going on campus out of the handful I had.
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Post by hback41 on Oct 10, 2023 19:35:50 GMT -6
Kids I’ve had like that have to get on campus to get offers. If they aren’t getting invited for visits or camps directly send them anyway. It’s too late for a senior but I had a kid like yours that 6’4 215 and everyone told him they liked him but didn’t offer. He went to camp and got offered that day. Went to another camp following week and another offer. After that other schools started offering him and inviting him for official visits. This was summer before his senior year. I’ve only had one kid get offered without going on campus out of the handful I had. Single parent home. It’s had been super tough for him to get to a bunch of the campuses that have invited him. |
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Post by fantom on Oct 10, 2023 19:39:46 GMT -6
Kids I’ve had like that have to get on campus to get offers. If they aren’t getting invited for visits or camps directly send them anyway. It’s too late for a senior but I had a kid like yours that 6’4 215 and everyone told him they liked him but didn’t offer. He went to camp and got offered that day. Went to another camp following week and another offer. After that other schools started offering him and inviting him for official visits. This was summer before his senior year. I’ve only had one kid get offered without going on campus out of the handful I had. Single parent home. It’s had been super tough for him to get to a bunch of the campuses that have invited him. If he doesn't get other offers just remember that D2 schools give diplomas too. |
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Post by hback41 on Oct 10, 2023 19:46:00 GMT -6
Single parent home. It’s had been super tough for him to get to a bunch of the campuses that have invited him. If he doesn't get other offers just remember that D2 schools give diplomas too. For sure. The D2 school says they can usually create a great financial package for their players. He will be OK |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 11, 2023 4:51:56 GMT -6
Kids I’ve had like that have to get on campus to get offers. If they aren’t getting invited for visits or camps directly send them anyway. It’s too late for a senior but I had a kid like yours that 6’4 215 and everyone told him they liked him but didn’t offer. He went to camp and got offered that day. Went to another camp following week and another offer. After that other schools started offering him and inviting him for official visits. This was summer before his senior year. I’ve only had one kid get offered without going on campus out of the handful I had. Single parent home. It’s had been super tough for him to get to a bunch of the campuses that have invited him. I understand that. And it’s a tough situation but a few hundred dollars and some Saturday drives could be a good investment in the long run. I’d take kids to the camps myself and usually pay for them out of my own pocket if I had to. Not all coaches are in that position I understand. Some schools will allow you to pay for kids camps out of athletic or booster funds as well. And most will let a coach take a mini bus, district vehicle or pay mileage. I’m sure you guys are doing all you can for your kid, but maybe those are some things you can look into next time. Hate to see a kid slip through. Ive had kids have to decide between walking on or going D2 that I thought were good enough to play D1 but couldn’t afford to walk on. It’s pretty maddening. |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 11, 2023 8:54:39 GMT -6
He could always try a 13th year prep school. Get another shot at being recruited while being a year older.
Also, d2 gives out college degrees. Plus, in today's world, go d2, rock it, transfer.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 11, 2023 9:27:22 GMT -6
He could always try a 13th year prep school. Get another shot at being recruited while being a year older. Also, d2 gives out college degrees. Plus, in today's world, go d2, rock it, transfer. Be careful about these. So many Scam U's out there!!! D2 or JC is the better bet than going the Bishop Sycamore route. |
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Post by CoachK on Oct 11, 2023 10:05:36 GMT -6
Speaking of Scam U, If the "D2" is Lincoln in Oakland, CA or Virginia Lynchburg in, well, Lynchburg, VA, avoid at all costs. Those programs are the Bishop Sycamores of college and represent a pretty cynical, exploitative version of our sport. Those offers aren't worth the electrons it took to transmit them.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 11, 2023 12:16:08 GMT -6
He could always try a 13th year prep school. Get another shot at being recruited while being a year older. Also, d2 gives out college degrees. Plus, in today's world, go d2, rock it, transfer. Be careful about these. So many Scam U's out there!!! D2 or JC is the better bet than going the Bishop Sycamore route. Agree. Message me if you want some legit schools. I talking about schools with $60,000 plus tuitions. I just sent a kid to one for free. They can take about 8 or so a year and their league sends multiple kids to power 5 schools. |
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Post by 60zgo on Oct 12, 2023 7:58:50 GMT -6
No coverage skills on tape. Can he be dominant interior run stopper? Not really evidence of that either.
Easier to go to the portal than to take a chance and develop a HS kid. Player development at that level is reserved for 4/5 stars.
But it works both ways. Find a place that WILL develop him and in a year or two Portal up.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 12, 2023 14:46:19 GMT -6
I got an FCS Coach asking to get in touch with you hback41Check you dm and get in touch with me asap |
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Post by Coach JR on Oct 12, 2023 16:10:09 GMT -6
I have a player who is being recruited by schools from Power 5 to D2. Tons of interest. 1 D2 offer. The one offer is a blessing. It's also weird that he gets a personal invite to Power 5 schools, but the FCS schools are not showing interest and the FBS schools don't offer. He is a 3.0 student, has all of the physical measurables, great on film, 2x all-area basketball player, respectful, etc. I talked with a coach today. They asked me why I felt that the offers were not happening. I gave my answer. He said that it just did not make sense that he is not getting offered. They said that they would be offering once the HC was able to talk with the kid. The coach said that they really are full at his position, but he looks special. The coaches at the D2 school where he got the offer said that he should not really fall to them, but they were going to offer anyway. The coach ended up saying that some schools play the waiting game hoping to get a kid who falls through the cracks on a PWO. I see why it is the way it is. I'm not sure this is any worse than how it was back in my day, to be honest. Most of us did not know if we were getting offers until the official visit in Dec-Jan. Yet, it is frustrating for the family when the kid does everything that coaches have asked, they continue to chat, but no offer. I had a kid in 2012. On the edge with measurable for OL at 6-1 295, great student and kid. The D1s did the same to him. Mississippi State came thru last minute. He wound up starting 4 yrs on OL and played 3 in the NFL as UDFA |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 12, 2023 16:35:19 GMT -6
I have a player who is being recruited by schools from Power 5 to D2. Tons of interest. 1 D2 offer. The one offer is a blessing. It's also weird that he gets a personal invite to Power 5 schools, but the FCS schools are not showing interest and the FBS schools don't offer. He is a 3.0 student, has all of the physical measurables, great on film, 2x all-area basketball player, respectful, etc. I talked with a coach today. They asked me why I felt that the offers were not happening. I gave my answer. He said that it just did not make sense that he is not getting offered. They said that they would be offering once the HC was able to talk with the kid. The coach said that they really are full at his position, but he looks special. The coaches at the D2 school where he got the offer said that he should not really fall to them, but they were going to offer anyway. The coach ended up saying that some schools play the waiting game hoping to get a kid who falls through the cracks on a PWO. I see why it is the way it is. I'm not sure this is any worse than how it was back in my day, to be honest. Most of us did not know if we were getting offers until the official visit in Dec-Jan. Yet, it is frustrating for the family when the kid does everything that coaches have asked, they continue to chat, but no offer. I had a kid in 2012. On the edge with measurable for OL at 6-1 295, great student and kid. The D1s did the same to him. Mississippi State came thru last minute. He wound up starting 4 yrs on OL and played 3 in the NFL as UDFA BOOM! |
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Post by Coach JR on Oct 13, 2023 8:35:47 GMT -6
What state and do you have a film link? We are in WA. Stats through week 5 41 tackles 10 TFL, 4 sacks, 1 INT, 6 pass break ups, 1 forced fumble, 2 recoveries, 1 blocked kick 2 catches 55 yards 1 TD. Here is his week 1-5 video. Had a Pick 6 this week (Week 6) www.hudl.com/v/2Ljgq7Kids looks like the real deal on film vs your competition. He can certainly play at the next level. Is he power 5? Coaches have to see him move and work in person. He needs to go to camps. That's where kids get offers. Film is good, but can be deceiving. Coaches/Recruiters need to see him move and work against kids of similar abilities. The kid I had in 2012 never went to camps. I had him a highlight vid produced. (We were small private school and didn't have hudl). It got him some attention. Some "lesser" local D1 coaches came and looked at him in person, and saw him run one rep blocking. They offered him instantly but said "he's welcome at UAB, but he can do better than us". Had he been at camps, he'd have had many top tier offers early regardless of his lack of ideal size. I know you said his family funds are limited, but if you want to help him that's how you do it. Find a way to get him in front of D1 coaches at camps with some of the better kids. |
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