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Post by 19delta on Jul 22, 2023 18:10:53 GMT -6
Thoughts on this?
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Post by tripsclosed on Jul 22, 2023 18:33:34 GMT -6
Not a hill worth dying on. I'd rather not lose players over petty chit like this. But that's just me. 😄
They can wear whatever mouth guard they want as long as it is not vulgar
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 22, 2023 18:54:39 GMT -6
I see both sides of this argument. I'd have a hard time being around a kid with a pacifier mouthpiece.
I also know that kids can't keep track of a mouthpiece for more than 2 consecutive weeks, especially the ones that don't attach to your helmet. So, I probably wouldn't get too worked up.
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Post by CS on Jul 22, 2023 19:03:02 GMT -6
Dumb. This guy probably brags about gpa
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Post by 19delta on Jul 22, 2023 19:15:24 GMT -6
I guess my biggest takeaway from this post is that this coach has it pretty good if this is one of the biggest issues he has to deal with.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 22, 2023 20:35:13 GMT -6
Or he doesn't know what matters.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2023 21:32:45 GMT -6
I would be fine with the policy. That said, the fact that he felt the need to announce on TWITTER, visible to team and anyone else who follows, and not through another more intimate/team only method makes it suspect.
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Post by CS on Jul 23, 2023 6:55:41 GMT -6
I would be fine with the policy. That said, the fact that he felt the need to announce on TWITTER, visible to team and anyone else who follows, and not through another more intimate/team only method makes it suspect. My problem is the wording. It could have easily been stated that you aren’t going to allow them to wear them in games so please don’t waste your money. But the authoritarian way in which this coach puts it out there is ridiculous. That being said I feel like this is a non issue to have to worry about amongst all the real things you need to worry about during football season |
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Post by Defcord on Jul 23, 2023 7:14:40 GMT -6
If it’s within the rules I don’t care what they wear. This is my second go round on being a head coach. The first time I cared about and tried to control every little thing. We looked good but I was in a bad mood all the time.
I’d rather be happy and look silly these days.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 23, 2023 8:09:24 GMT -6
I would also wager that anyone wearing a pacifier mouthpiece isn't going to be someone that sees the field very often.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 23, 2023 8:16:48 GMT -6
I would also wager that anyone wearing a pacifier mouthpiece isn't going to be someone that sees the field very often. I don’t know coach- I think many would have said the same thing a decade or so ago about kids making a huge stink/willing to quit over wearing pink socks,armbands, accessories etc- and yet there are plenty of those who definitely see the field. |
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Post by irishdog on Jul 23, 2023 8:33:21 GMT -6
The advantages of working at a small school. We fortunately had a local orthodontist willing to donate good mouthguards (school color) for all my athletes so this wasn't something I worried about. Since I placed an emphasis on safety (which the parents appreciated), I convinced the school board to purchase Speed Flex helmets. (They paid half the cost, as long as the booster club paid the other half). Total of 40 helmets.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 23, 2023 11:57:20 GMT -6
I would also wager that anyone wearing a pacifier mouthpiece isn't going to be someone that sees the field very often. I don’t know coach- I think many would have said the same thing a decade or so ago about kids making a huge stink/willing to quit over wearing pink socks,armbands, accessories etc- and yet there are plenty of those who definitely see the field. Well, I guess we'll chalk that up to another reason I'm glad I'm out. |
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Post by agap on Jul 23, 2023 12:54:16 GMT -6
I've barely seen any of these at a few different schools I've coached at, so it's probably not a big deal if a coach tells players not to wear them. One school I recently coached at would only let players wear black shoes. I thought it would be a big deal because I had never been part of a program where players had to wear a certain color, but nobody else thought twice about it because that's what they were used to.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Jul 23, 2023 14:41:54 GMT -6
We do Black and White shoes (Red for seniors), they get a mouth guard from us, we charge them less than retail for any after the first one, socks have to be school colors (Except Pink out game, military appreciation night and seniors get red on senior night...so black or white for 1 home game.
Our officials have told kids to remove under shirts that were not school colors, even on cold days. They also enforce eye black rules, proper equipment rules (knee pads) and the use of profanity.
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 23, 2023 15:37:14 GMT -6
Heres my thing. If you have rule regarding mouthpieces, you better be providing them mouthpieces. If you have a rule regarding they wear football only shirts to workouts etc., then you better provide them with shirts to wear. Otherwise use your camp fee $ to take care of it. We are in a county that is between 50-65% poverty level since the Ford plants closed down, if you want a certain look provide it, otherwise you are going to get what they can pay for. Personally as a parent I wouldnt spend that much on a damn mouthpiece but to each his own.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 23, 2023 17:00:15 GMT -6
My biggest problem with this: I assume coach doesn't like these things because he thinks they are a "look at me", attention drawing item. He chooses to post this rule in a "look at me" attention drawing manner.
Have the rule if you want, but a little self-awareness too.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 24, 2023 7:54:21 GMT -6
I have to wonder about the context. Perhaps this school has had issues in the past with players being more concerned about looking good than playing good.
With that being said, my kid wore the mouthguard with the fangs and he was a 1st Team All State nose tackle. Pretty sure his coaches weren’t going to bench him over a mouthguard. 😂
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Post by casec11 on Jul 24, 2023 12:30:58 GMT -6
As long as they are not inapropriate... we do ask them to choose one with a team color though
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Post by Down 'n Out on Jul 24, 2023 13:09:31 GMT -6
Years ago I only allowed team color equipment(cleats, socks,gloves, etc). Went well year 1, year 2 my kicker(soccer kid, by far our best kicker) had neon colored cleats(his soccer cleats), not gonna let him slide and hold everyone else to a different standard. Haven't really worried about that stuff since, we did look good that first season though.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 24, 2023 14:24:18 GMT -6
As far as I can tell the post on Twitter was to tell parents and players in that specific high school program not to go out and buy those items because they are not part of the team uniform. I assume Woodbury HS wants their players to look uniform and feels that mouthguards and backplates are part of that.
This is not a hill I would die on. I have other things I concern myself with.
But, I don't think we should be questioning and calling out a fellow coach online for doing nothing illegal, immoral, or even questionable in his behavior. It undermines his policy with the parents and players. Things we (probably) don't know:
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Post by wingtol on Jul 24, 2023 14:41:14 GMT -6
We use to tell our guys the mouth piece had to be attached to the facemask with a strap. Said it was a state rule in case you got ko'ed and they needed to clear your airway they could just yank it out. Kind of discouraged all those swaggy mouth pieces since the strap doesn't look cool...
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 24, 2023 16:13:44 GMT -6
I have to wonder about the context. Perhaps this school has had issues in the past with players being more concerned about looking good than playing good. With that being said, my kid wore the mouthguard with the fangs and he was a 1st Team All State nose tackle. Pretty sure his coaches weren’t going to bench him over a mouthguard. 😂 I had a few of the fang ones. Thought they were dumb, but didn't react to them really. Pacifiers, gold chains and bedazzled ones I'd have a hard time not being pretty sarcastic about. |
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Post by newt21 on Jul 25, 2023 14:46:40 GMT -6
I think they’re dumb but the kids for some reason love them. Not a battle I would fight but I definitely throw some sarcastic remarks towards the kids that have them in good fun.
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Post by coachtua on Aug 4, 2023 10:34:40 GMT -6
QB and center are the only asked not to wear these. It is harder to hear their calls with those types of mouth pieces
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 4, 2023 11:41:53 GMT -6
QB and center are the only asked not to wear these. It is harder to hear their calls with those types of mouth pieces I have never before thought about the communication difficulties caused by the over the lips mouthguards. Thank you for my new learning of the day. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Aug 4, 2023 13:34:24 GMT -6
QB and center are the only asked not to wear these. It is harder to hear their calls with those types of mouth pieces I have never before thought about the communication difficulties caused by the over the lips mouthguards. Thank you for my new learning of the day. We don't make limitations on mouth pieces, but we do expect all our players regardless of position communicate........ though we do also have hand signals.... again something to think about. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Aug 4, 2023 19:10:31 GMT -6
I guess my biggest takeaway from this post is that this coach has it pretty good if this is one of the biggest issues he has to deal with. My experience tells me this guy actually has no clue what he is doing, and probably doesn't have it that well. It's easy to "look good," when you have awesome talent, but my guess is this guy doesn't have the best players or resources, and resorts to "man-child" coaching (blame what he thinks he can't control) rather than learning how to make lemonade with lemons. |
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 8, 2023 11:58:51 GMT -6
Or maybe he doesn't like them.
When your a head coach you have a say in your program. Your experiences or situations may not be the same as his. I couldn't give a crap about mouth pieces but if someone was a pos then I would cover it.
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Post by blb on Aug 8, 2023 12:25:14 GMT -6
Do players really spend $25-$30 on a mouth guard when they get one free from the school?
Have to wonder about a kid who does that.
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