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Post by bluedevil4 on May 1, 2023 16:17:25 GMT -6
I frequent the multiple American Football subreddit forums often (it's my "bored at work desk" activity), and more and more frequently (almost hourly now), there's a new post in one of these forums where it's a kid asking questions that could be answered very quickly and accurately by their own program's coaches. "What position should I play? Can I play if I am under 5'8"? What is the best workout to bench a lot for an 8th grade center?" The kinds of questions kids worry about really.
What irks me is because anyone can post on reddit, there's always a lot of responses of armchair fans using NFL or NCAA metrics and answering with certainty about what these kids should do when they clearly are likely not accurate or are misleading. Myself and other coaches usually respond that they need to go to their coaches or contact their programs, but those that respond are resistant to the idea. The answer often is "they aren't available/I can't because I'm not on the team/it's not in season yet." Obviously we correct as best as possible. This brings me to my question since I don't coach school ball currently...
Do you ever end up having to help a kid "unlearn" things they learned specifically from the internet, or have issues getting kids to ask questions in general? I know kids are often intimated easily or naive, but it's alarming to me how many seem to be afraid to even ask a parent to call the school/program with inquiries.
I coach adult women's ball, and we deal with something similar, but it's usually players being "coached" by brothers, dads, boyfriends, etc. It's beyond annoying and really delays the player development process. Last year we had to help a CB unlearn "Cover 2," because we use an inverted Cover 2 (Two CB's deep, FS up). Since she went home and told her boyfriend we use "Cover 2," he spent weeks coaching her how to play like a Cover 2 CB.
I guess if you want to make the thread more fun: What experiences have you had where you had to help a kid "unlearn" misinformation or inaccurate information?
EDIT: Another way to put it: Do you ever struggle with getting players to use the most obvious resources available to them?
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Post by bobgoodman on May 1, 2023 21:01:39 GMT -6
I frequent the multiple American Football subreddit forums often (it's my "bored at work desk" activity), and more and more frequently (almost hourly now), there's a new post in one of these forums where it's a kid asking questions that could be answered very quickly and accurately by their own program's coaches. "What position should I play? Can I play if I am under 5'8"? What is the best workout to bench a lot for an 8th grade center?" The kinds of questions kids worry about really. I get those all the time on Quora, but my guess was that they were insincere questions, probably 'bot-generated, to take advantage of Quora's content incentive program. But if you're seeing them on Reddit, my conclusion was probably wrong. Then again, someone could be lifting them from Reddit to copy to Quora. |
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Post by mariner42 on May 1, 2023 21:20:54 GMT -6
I frequent the multiple American Football subreddit forums often (it's my "bored at work desk" activity), and more and more frequently (almost hourly now), there's a new post in one of these forums where it's a kid asking questions that could be answered very quickly and accurately by their own program's coaches. "What position should I play? Can I play if I am under 5'8"? What is the best workout to bench a lot for an 8th grade center?" The kinds of questions kids worry about really. What irks me is because anyone can post on reddit, there's always a lot of responses of armchair fans using NFL or NCAA metrics and answering with certainty about what these kids should do when they clearly are likely not accurate or are misleading. Myself and other coaches usually respond that they need to go to their coaches or contact their programs, but those that respond are resistant to the idea. The answer often is "they aren't available/I can't because I'm not on the team/it's not in season yet." Obviously we correct as best as possible. This brings me to my question since I don't coach school ball currently... Do you ever end up having to help a kid "unlearn" things they learned specifically from the internet, or have issues getting kids to ask questions in general? I know kids are often intimated easily or naive, but it's alarming to me how many seem to be afraid to even ask a parent to call the school/program with inquiries. I coach adult women's ball, and we deal with something similar, but it's usually players being "coached" by brothers, dads, boyfriends, etc. It's beyond annoying and really delays the player development process. Last year we had to help a CB unlearn "Cover 2," because we use an inverted Cover 2 (Two CB's deep, FS up). Since she went home and told her boyfriend we use "Cover 2," he spent weeks coaching her how to play like a Cover 2 CB. I guess if you want to make the thread more fun: What experiences have you had where you had to help a kid "unlearn" misinformation or inaccurate information? EDIT: Another way to put it: Do you ever struggle with getting players to use the most obvious resources available to them? As a full-time weight training teacher: ALL THE F***ING TIME. I swear 1/4 of my job is just un-f***ing kids ideas of training. Girls, you don't need 15 sets of Instagram booty popper kicks or whatever. Boys, there's more to life than bench or deadlift. Everyone, stop going so heavy when I program submax work. See it much, much less as a football coach, usually a dad who played who coaches from the sideline. I think I'm pretty lucky in that regard. |
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Post by CS on May 2, 2023 3:46:07 GMT -6
Had a kid show me a video of a guy deadlifting 800# a few months back. I said “that’s impressive!” He looks at me and says “yeah but it’s sumo. {censored}.”
I wanted to punch him through the wall
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Post by echoofthewhistle on May 2, 2023 4:33:33 GMT -6
Starting to see it more especially in the weight room. Had a kid show up first time all offseason and proceeded to point out that "split squat" was actually Bulgarian split squat while looking smug about it.
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Post by larrymoe on May 2, 2023 6:46:22 GMT -6
The last year I was a HC, I coached in a 2 school coop. The school I worked at had about 300 kids and the school we cooped with had about 130ish. Anyway, the main school's kids bought our program quickly and got to it. The other school's kids came up with all these weird ass suggestions and acted like they were the Bible. Finally I asked a kid where the got that {censored}. He told me from Mr "Smith".
Turns out Mr "Smith" was their PE teacher. Guy's a minor professional bodybuilder. His wife is apparently very successful. He has a big social media presence and is always posting his weird workouts. Kids kept telling me that was what we needed to do. Finally, I said, "Look, Mr "Smith" is huge. Guy's very impressive looking. He also can't walk across a football field without sweating and panting. So, maybe leave the athletic development lifting to me? Oh, and guys, you don't have the kind of money to get that many roids."
They all swore up and down he was "natty". Turns out, he's whatever the opposite of "natty" is.
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Post by coachcb on May 2, 2023 9:15:20 GMT -6
The last year I was a HC, I coached in a 2 school coop. The school I worked at had about 300 kids and the school we cooped with had about 130ish. Anyway, the main school's kids bought our program quickly and got to it. The other school's kids came up with all these weird ass suggestions and acted like they were the Bible. Finally I asked a kid where the got that {censored}. He told me from Mr "Smith". Turns out Mr "Smith" was their PE teacher. Guy's a minor professional bodybuilder. His wife is apparently very successful. He has a big social media presence and is always posting his weird workouts. Kids kept telling me that was what we needed to do. Finally, I said, "Look, Mr "Smith" is huge. Guy's very impressive looking. He also can't walk across a football field without sweating and panting. So, maybe leave the athletic development lifting to me? Oh, and guys, you don't have the kind of money to get that many roids." They all swore up and down he was "natty". Turns out, he's whatever the opposite of "natty" is.
We've run into a few of these situations over the years. It doesn't typically become an issue as the kids will just go workout somewhere else. We did have one kid throw a fit as he'd been doing a bodybuilding routine at a local fitness center that didn't have him squatting, dead-lifting or power cleaning. He came in and tried to do 5RM maxes on the lifts before the start of the season and failed miserably. He wanted us to count his leg-press 5RM as his squat and deadlift. He and his mother weren't happy when we laughed at this proposition. His bench made it on the all-time record boards (imagine that) but couldn't complete a power-clean and his squat and dead were wayy low.
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Post by MICoach on May 2, 2023 9:16:24 GMT -6
Yeah we've definitely had that with the weightroom more than the on-field side of things. Had a couple guys two years back that just said "I don't do cleans, they're bad for your back" as if that was just some revalation we were unaware of or something...one underperformed and the other quit between like the third day of August camp.
The same year we had some guys who would just go nuts on whatever our primary lift was - always trying to throw more weight on regardless of what the actual workout was - but would take so long moving plates that they'd always miss sets. Then they'd be so wasted from going heavy that they'd skip accessory lifts. They didn't seem to think that was a problem, lots of "yeah but coach I can squat 405!" disregarding that they had no endurance whatsoever. This obviously translated to their on field performance.
Lately we've had guys that will go to outside trainers and either not do our workouts or only do the parts they want to. I give them credit for showing up to our lifting anyway but they also don't seem to understand that we want them to prioritize our workout.
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Post by coachdmyers on May 2, 2023 9:19:48 GMT -6
Yes, I have to undo private QB training all the time. Last year was the worst example. The thing that irks me is that we can't have any contact all year with them and it really fuels the private coaching scene that is making things all kind of bad. Oregon allows some limited contact in the offseason. I think it's like two to four players can work with a coach at a time, and for a limited amount of time. I don't want to run practices, I don't want to run team, I don't want to install plays, but I'd love to be able to offer time for my players to work with their coaches *for free* on technique for 30 minutes a week or something. I think there's a way to balance this with the demands of other sports that would eliminate a lot of this private off-season mess and give kids who can't afford good offseason coaching a chance to improve like their wealthier peers.
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Post by CS on May 2, 2023 9:37:49 GMT -6
The last year I was a HC, I coached in a 2 school coop. The school I worked at had about 300 kids and the school we cooped with had about 130ish. Anyway, the main school's kids bought our program quickly and got to it. The other school's kids came up with all these weird ass suggestions and acted like they were the Bible. Finally I asked a kid where the got that {censored}. He told me from Mr "Smith". Turns out Mr "Smith" was their PE teacher. Guy's a minor professional bodybuilder. His wife is apparently very successful. He has a big social media presence and is always posting his weird workouts. Kids kept telling me that was what we needed to do. Finally, I said, "Look, Mr "Smith" is huge. Guy's very impressive looking. He also can't walk across a football field without sweating and panting. So, maybe leave the athletic development lifting to me? Oh, and guys, you don't have the kind of money to get that many roids." They all swore up and down he was "natty". Turns out, he's whatever the opposite of "natty" is. Is Mr. Smith the Liver King??? |
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 2, 2023 11:34:02 GMT -6
Upon further review, I'm not a fan of the outside trainer. Whether it be for lifting or for on the field skills.
BUT, I will say that I've been fortunate enough that most of those kids who do it, still take our lifts and workouts as a priority.
I have one assistant who gets real bent out of shape by guys who go to outside trainers primarily because I think he sees it as a bash to his own personal ego.
But I'll be honest when I say that most of the kids who go out and find a trainer, do it because they want to get better and get some extra work and overall, it ends up being a positive more than negative. I've never had one of them say "but my trainer says." Of course I work in a community where not many of the kids have the means to work with a private trainer, but the ones who do, have a good attitude.
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Post by CS on May 2, 2023 16:17:11 GMT -6
Yes, I have to undo private QB training all the time. Last year was the worst example. The thing that irks me is that we can't have any contact all year with them and it really fuels the private coaching scene that is making things all kind of bad. Oregon allows some limited contact in the offseason. I think it's like two to four players can work with a coach at a time, and for a limited amount of time. I don't want to run practices, I don't want to run team, I don't want to install plays, but I'd love to be able to offer time for my players to work with their coaches *for free* on technique for 30 minutes a week or something. I think there's a way to balance this with the demands of other sports that would eliminate a lot of this private off-season mess and give kids who can't afford good offseason coaching a chance to improve like their wealthier peers. Run the flexbone. QB trainers heads would explode |
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Post by larrymoe on May 2, 2023 16:44:21 GMT -6
Is Mr. Smith the Liver King??? No, he is far more muscular than that. No lie. The guy's a freak, legitimately. |
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Post by mariner42 on May 2, 2023 22:36:24 GMT -6
Is Mr. Smith the Liver King??? No, he is far more muscular than that. No lie. The guy's a freak, legitimately. With freaky sleep apnea, I imagine. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 3, 2023 6:39:35 GMT -6
No, he is far more muscular than that. No lie. The guy's a freak, legitimately. With freaky sleep apnea, I imagine. No idea. He is super diabetic, but that's been a lifelong condition. |
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