locharion
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Post by locharion on Jan 14, 2007 10:59:27 GMT -6
I am not at this point yet since I am still an assistant, but I always like to plan ahead.
Most of us that will have the chance to become head coaches will probably take over a mediocre to poor football team. For you experienced guys or those of you who have been around successful programs, tell me how you would accomplish the following.
1. Get more involvement in your offseason program. I am talking about weight room, inside drills and QB school, and summer conditioning. This could involve convincing kids instead of playing other sports staying involved in yours and this could rub people wrong. While you may not have to do this will all your players, skill position players may benefit greatly by doing so.
2. Getting your AD to back you with #1.
3. Get parents more involved in your program.
4. Increase your current booster club involvement or start a booster club.
5. Fundraise.
I am looking forward to reading your replies. Thanks again coaches.
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Post by wildcat on Jan 14, 2007 11:53:57 GMT -6
1. Get more involvement in your offseason program. I am talking about weight room, inside drills and QB school, and summer conditioning. This could involve convincing kids instead of playing other sports staying involved in yours and this could rub people wrong. While you may not have to do this will all your players, skill position players may benefit greatly by doing so. I think that it is a HUGE mistake to encourage kids to drop other sports to focus on your sport. It is a slippery slope. You start stepping on the toes of the other coaches in the building by depriving them of athletes, the same will eventually be done to you. Rather than fighting over athletes, learn how to network and cooperate with the other coaches in the building. As far as encouraging offseason attendence goes, results work wonders. Show that the weightroom will make kids bigger, faster, and stronger and that is most of the recruitment you will need. 2. Getting your AD to back you with #1. No reputable AD is going to do that...an AD who shows such obvious favoritism towards one sport is either an AD who won't be around too long or an AD without a lot of integrity. Either way, not the kind of guy you want to be close with... 3. Get parents more involved in your program. Be careful what you wish for... 4. Increase your current booster club involvement or start a booster club. 5. Fundraise. Again, be careful what you wish for...booster clubs can be double-edged swords. Certainly they can help with fundraising, but sometimes, boosters believe that their fundraising efforts should allow them access to the coaches.
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Post by FB4life on Jan 14, 2007 12:21:31 GMT -6
Great! answers wildcat, couldn't of said it any better...
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 14, 2007 12:25:12 GMT -6
Offseason: We open the wt room 3x a week before school for kids who participate in other sports to lift. Of course anyone else can come in during that time as well. Our 9th grade BBB does not practice until 4:30 so several of those kids lift after school before practice. This off season our wrestling coach asked me to help implement a strength training program for his wrestlers so now they are in the wt room 2-3x/week depending on thier schedule. We encourage our football players to play another sport. A good strength program benifits ALL sports.
AD Support: Our AD supports this but he would not support us if we told kids not to play another sport. I'm sure this is reciprocted to the other sports as well.
Parents and Boosters: Again be careful what you wish for. It is better to keep the "enemy" disorganized. Not that parents are the enemy, thay can be a great asset, or the dagger that stabs you in the back "et tu Brute?" A loose organization to help plan and prepare for carbo feed and the banquet is a good thing.
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Post by bluecrazy on Jan 14, 2007 12:26:23 GMT -6
Agree with wildcat, I encourage my kids to play other sports. I think that it makes the athlete a more rounded player. Plus, at our small school I have to recruit kids. I tell them football will make them a tougher basketball player, and so on. I do have have a 6:00 am 0 hour weight lifting, so that the other athletes that play other sports can lift. I average about 15-20 kids for this. I also show up to games to show support. The A.D. will back you as long as you back the other sports, and you are doing your job! Yes be careful with parents. About the only thing I have them do, and they love to do, is cook a pregame dinner the night before our game. They feel involved, and the kids get a good meal. I fund raise, but include the boosters. Don't ever step on there toes. You will need them. bluecrazy
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Post by wccoach on Jan 14, 2007 14:00:30 GMT -6
I have gone through this before with success and I am now an assistant in a program that is in a turnaround situation. On issues 1 & 2, Don't even make it look like you are trying to get the kids or the AD to favor your program over the rest of the sports. It is much better to show support to the other sports during their seasons. If you are visible during the basketball games and baseball games, ect. the parents will notice! You will be seen as a coach that cares about the kids all year around. It takes alot of time and commitment, but it will be rewarded as the football program evolves.
Parents are a tricky issue. I have found that many problems can be managed by having a very clear message of what the football program is going to accomplish. This is usually done with a Parent Document that each players parent must sign. The Document outlines the do's and dont's of the parents role in the program. Make sure you get the AD and Adminstrations buy in on this document. Without their backing you are in big trouble. Have 2 or 3 Meetings with parent each year. Usually conducted 1) After Basketball Season and Before Baseball Season 2) At the Beginning of the Summer workouts 3) At the beginning of the season. Each of these meetings are to outline the plan that the players are expected to follow. Be ready to answer questions at these meetings. Be very organized. Speak with confidence at these meetings. Always answer questions very straight forward but with respect. Let them know that it is ok to agree to disagree. Do not answer questions that are better answered by the AD or Adminstration. Just tell the parent that they need to direct their question to the proper authority. Usually these types of questions have to do with transfers and how school policy is administrated. Let them know that you will only discuss thier player with them and not discuss other players. Do not let parents think that they will be allowed to discuss schemes or playcalling with your coaches. You will still have the loud, outspoken parents no matter what and you have to have school backing to deal with them. Always refer back to the document that they signed about the Parents role in the program. Stick to that document, if you don't, you will lose control. Always be respectful and never raise your voice, if you think that a parent is going to get wild have another coach involved, preferably the player's postition coach. Never talk to parents after a game, win or lose. Sometimes you cannot satisfy parets, you have to be able to accept this. Ron White had a show called "You Can't Fix Stupid", sometimes this applies to parents. (Don't say that to them!)
Booster clubs and fundraising need to be handled by somebody else who is in your corner. If you get intricately involved with these entities, many of the boosters will think that you owe them something. Stay away from any situation where it can even look like that you can be bought. I have had success with giving the AD a list of things that the program would like to have that are outside what the school system provides and let him work with the boosters and fundraising.
In closing, I have a strong belief that it is very beneficial to get involved in the community. Whether it be doing charity work or being accessible to the Pee-Wee football prgrams in your area. Volunteer to speak at the PeeWee's end of year Banquets. Speak about the benfits of your school and how football develops young men. Be careful not to make it look like a recuitment pitch. Hold a summer football camp for the PeeWee programs in the area and use your varsity players to help instruct. The young kids really seem to enjoy working with the varsity players. Sorry about being so long, but these are some things I have had success with and hope my experience is some help.
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Post by wildcat on Jan 14, 2007 14:11:00 GMT -6
bluecrazy and wccoach -
GREAT points about showing up at basketball an baseball games and wrestling or track meets...you get CRAZY mileage out of simply showing up and supporting these kids when they aren't playing football...
Kids LOVE it when I can talk to them about a wrestling meet or basketball game and it is evident that I was there watching them play...
Also shows support for the other coaches in the building...can't wait until baseball season starts and me and 2 other assistant football coaches will be out along the right field foul line grilling out and cheering on our Cougars! Kids think that it is really cool when we show up...
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locharion
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Post by locharion on Jan 14, 2007 19:31:33 GMT -6
Perhaps I mistated #1 a bit. Of course you could not tell a kid that playing your sport only is mandatory. But some successful programs around the country (DeLa Salle and Southlake Carroll come to mind) really push for their best players to be in their program.
What is your take Huey? You knew Todd Dodge rather well.
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Post by sls on Jan 14, 2007 21:48:14 GMT -6
In San Antonio, Dodge said they made them all run track.
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Post by CVBears on Jan 15, 2007 1:58:10 GMT -6
I am not at this point yet since I am still an assistant, but I always like to plan ahead. Most of us that will have the chance to become head coaches will probably take over a mediocre to poor football team. For you experienced guys or those of you who have been around successful programs, tell me how you would accomplish the following. 1. Get more involvement in your offseason program. I am talking about weight room, inside drills and QB school, and summer conditioning. This could involve convincing kids instead of playing other sports staying involved in yours and this could rub people wrong. While you may not have to do this will all your players, skill position players may benefit greatly by doing so. 2. Getting your AD to back you with #1. 3. Get parents more involved in your program. 4. Increase your current booster club involvement or start a booster club. 5. Fundraise. I am looking forward to reading your replies. Thanks again coaches. #3 and #4- ask your parents to be involved. However, I would give them specific jobs. When you say "I'll take any help I can get," you'll start to get help in philosophy, scheme, depth chart, etc. that you don't want them to get involved in. Talk to them personally. You will find willing participants. #5- use the search feature on this board. there are a few fundrasing threads around here somewhere. I'm a big fan of getting the community involved here too. Put together your own program of just your boys, sell advertising in the program (perfect job for a parent). Any of the businesses that are restaurant type places, have the boys take turns being bus boys or something. This also helps build community involvement. A local high school had a bowling fundraiser. The kids got sponsors for how many pins they could knock down (5 cents a pin, penny a pin, a dollar a pin anything in between and beyond) or just a flat donation. On a side note, another way to get involvement is to get the community involved. We had our players go down to the elementary schools to help out for an hour or so in the afternoon. The players gave the kids tickets to the game for them and one adult and during our last home game, the kids where invited into the team room after the game to meet all of the coaches and players that they may not have met (not all players went to the same elementary school).
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 15, 2007 6:14:32 GMT -6
At every interview I have been at the admin seems to want athletes shared among sports and I certainly agree. Small schools have only a handful of premier athletes. Kids are the best recruiters you have, if you have one star basketball player theres a chance you will end up with a couple of other hoopsters who are his buds. I would encourage and reward participation in other sports HOWEVER that does not mean they would be excused from wt training. I like a point system here, participate in winter sports= 30 points, show up for wt traning at 1 point per workout...those that earn 50 points over winter are eligible for a/b/c rewards.
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Post by wildcat on Jan 15, 2007 6:58:05 GMT -6
At every interview I have been at the admin seems to want athletes shared among sports and I certainly agree. Small schools have only a handful of premier athletes. Kids are the best recruiters you have, if you have one star basketball player theres a chance you will end up with a couple of other hoopsters who are his buds. I would encourage and reward participation in other sports HOWEVER that does not mean they would be excused from wt training. I like a point system here, participate in winter sports= 30 points, show up for wt traning at 1 point per workout...those that earn 50 points over winter are eligible for a/b/c rewards. Steve - Good stuff... ONLY problem I have is what do you do when Johnny Genetics and Danny DNA don't show up for weightlifting and are STILL the two best players on the team come August? I agree with you about keeping track of offseason performance and participation, however, I still believe that playing time needs to be determined by on-field performance, not by what the kid did or didn't do back in February.
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jan 15, 2007 7:34:12 GMT -6
the #1 thing to do is to surround yourself with the best coaching staff possible - if you come into a situation where all of the coaches have been doing a half-ass job and even worse, they think that this is coaching, then you have a major problem on your hands - this is why many coaches who get head coaching jobs insist on bringing an assistant or two with them that they know they can trust - I have seen situations where a head coach was told he could bring 8 guys with him and totally clean house - you have to have the ability coming into a losing situation to be able to re-assign coaches or let some go - if there are cancers on the staff, the worst thing possible is for you to allow them to stay on staff - a bunch of coaches who actually have some people skills is very important - if you come in new and get the chance to get new uniforms, this helps a lot - doesn't sound like something that we think would be important, but it is one effective way to sell your program - running an exciting brand of offense and/or defense is also attractive to kids - as an AD, you need to encourage kids to play as many sports as possible - come up with a new team slogan before the start of every year and then sell shirts cheaply to kids with the slogan on them - do highlight videos and sell these cheap at the end of the season - kids love these - the offseason program must be stressed as making athletes better athletes, no matter what the sport - this must be one of the cornerstones of your program - after testing kids in lifts and agility tests, post rankings - have record boards - in other words, make a big deal about it - when kids start to get stronger and quicker on a large scale, then kids will understand the importance of the offseason program - have competitions and fun things now and then to spark kids excitement - do a lot of research on just exactly you are doing in your offseason program, and try to make it the best one out there - be available and seen in the community - people need to think you want to stay at their school for a long time - having a great booster club that can help you out and promote athletics will help out tremendously - good luck!
playin' it cool - Luke
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Post by fbcoach33 on Jan 15, 2007 8:13:16 GMT -6
One of the best things we were able to do a few years back and it took some work getting our school board and adm. to believe in it was to get strength training as part of our PE program, our sophs juniors and senios lift during PE class along with any other student that wants to take that vs the traditional PE class. We no longer have to come in early in the morning or chase down kids after school or worry because the bball kids are never getting in there during the winter. It started with one section of about 30 kids a few years back and is now up to 5 sections of 30 plus, quite a few kids are non football kids, they prefer to work out than play kickball. Use that as a huge selling point, this type of set up benefits all kids not just football but it sure takes alot of stress off of you as a coach, for 9 months a year you know they are lifting, you just have to find a way to keep em coming in the summer, but with the gains they make all year, almost all want to keep gaining come summer time.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 15, 2007 8:14:11 GMT -6
IMHO, the #1 thing that a HC must do is start developing a good repoir with the team. Make the kids feel like they're something more than a position to you- show them that you give a sh-t. If the kids like and respect you, they're far more likely to buy into what you're doing and to put in the work.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 15, 2007 11:01:26 GMT -6
At every interview I have been at the admin seems to want athletes shared among sports and I certainly agree. Small schools have only a handful of premier athletes. Kids are the best recruiters you have, if you have one star basketball player theres a chance you will end up with a couple of other hoopsters who are his buds. I would encourage and reward participation in other sports HOWEVER that does not mean they would be excused from wt training. I like a point system here, participate in winter sports= 30 points, show up for wt traning at 1 point per workout...those that earn 50 points over winter are eligible for a/b/c rewards. Steve - Good stuff... ONLY problem I have is what do you do when Johnny Genetics and Danny DNA don't show up for weightlifting and are STILL the two best players on the team come August? I agree with you about keeping track of offseason performance and participation, however, I still believe that playing time needs to be determined by on-field performance, not by what the kid did or didn't do back in February. The point system fixes that problem NOW. IF THEY DONT HAVE THE POINTS to earn decals for helmets, name on jersey, gear, playing time, starting role etc...someone else will. heres a sample(just an example)...and keep in mind this is about THE PROGRAM not the two studs. *50 points required or coach will reject physical form and you do not play. You are not physically strong or mentally tough enough for football. * 80 points required to actually get in a game 1) 60 points, earns team logo on helmet 2) 65 points you get the helmet too 3) 70 points - shoulder pads 5) 75 points- game pants and girdle 6) 80 points- team travel bag 7) 85 points- eligible for captain status 8) 90 points- excused from equipment/locker room clean up 9) 95 points- complete spirit pack 10) 100 points- get to keep jersey and helmet at conclusion of season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2007 12:56:17 GMT -6
These are all great points. Parents are a tricky subject. Even the ones who truly have the best of intentions may at some point feel comfortable asking a favor of their buddy the coach.
Sure you need the parental involvement in your program, but good booster clubs have great avenues for that. Ours does a great job of including the parents, and those parents are close to us, but we aren't the ones asking for things. We don't ask the parents to do a spaghetti night, our booster club does it. Then we can get to know some of the parents in an informal situation, but never in the quid pro quo set.
One reason our staff promotes activity in another sport is because it is just one more way of building school pride and teamwork. A few years back about 6 of our kids were former wrestlers who didn't want to do it anymore. We kind of pushed it that "hey, they need you. If you guys are out there together you'll have some fun with each other and that will keep other guys out there too. You're leaders in the school and the wrestling team kind of needs you."
Those guys went out and though they didn't enjoy the season a whole lot, 2 kids won state and they all had some good laughs together.
What's more is younger kids in our program saw that some of our horses were doing it and they got in it too. That helped wrestling and it helps us to have those kids in our program.
If it builds school spirit, that's a big plug too.
As for the off-season conditioning stuff, don't ask the kids to make any commitment you won't be willing to make. Our kids come in and do some lifting in groups, running, etc. in early morning, and believe me they notice if one of their coaches isn't there at 5:30 a.m. Our HC says we dont' all need to be there every time but the OC always makes it there as do I (I'm the DC). We usually have a few other assistants show.
Believe me, the kids respect what you want out of them if you're willing to be there with them. Would you go to a football camp and leave the kids in the afternoon when they're working to go play golf? Why would a kid keep putting out the effort if his coach isn't?
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jan 15, 2007 21:43:36 GMT -6
These are good points but I think you should be careful alienating yourself from parents. You have to remember, parents have a tremandous impact on the attitudes of their sons. How many of us have cleared the air with a player (playing time, role on team, etc.) and had it undermined the second he went home? We can sit here and say "It's my program, I make the decisions, I am in charge......" but we need parents on our side. I am not saying give into their every wish but find ways of letting them know that they are appreciated for the sacrifice they make for their child. We put on a "Football Night for Moms" to help them understand the basics (and to eliminate the misconceptions of the sport). We also have a potluck supper for the parents & players at our Parent's Meeting before the season. I am also planning on serving coffee & juice after the games next season. A 4-peat state champion program in Minnesota also allows dads in the locker room prior to the Parent's Night game. I am not comfortable doing this but this is a tradition that allows parents to feel appreciated.
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