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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 4, 2022 12:01:01 GMT -6
Why are some teams so cheap?
Regardless of record
Regardless of level
Regardless of game situation
Throw punches
Late hits
ankle twisting
sac grabbing
thigh pinching
talk crap
embarrassment to the game
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Post by chi5hi on Oct 4, 2022 12:11:23 GMT -6
Their coaches don't insist on sportsmanship and respect.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Oct 4, 2022 12:20:52 GMT -6
Varies, all of those could be done individually for different reasons.
As much as I don't like dumping on referees they should control this.
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Post by tripsclosed on Oct 4, 2022 13:47:09 GMT -6
Glenn Dorsey-era LSU and Phil Fulmer-era UT have entered the chat.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 4, 2022 13:53:12 GMT -6
Because their coaches allow/encourage it.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 4, 2022 15:37:11 GMT -6
I agree with everything but the talking crap. I don't want my kids to get penalties talking crap but if they can stay focused and not get penalties while talking crap and it helps them gain an edge talking crap then I am okay with it. I would never ask kids to do anything that put another player's safety at risk. That stuff is ridiculous and uncalled for but I have had kids completely eliminate quality players by talking to them. Unfortunately, we have had guys who have fallen for the trash talk and play poorly too at times.
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Post by canesfan on Oct 4, 2022 17:01:06 GMT -6
This our district rival. It’s on the Adults. Head Coach, AD and principal. If I gave you a list of things they had done in games against us, you wouldn’t believe it. And it’s not just us. Just a dirty program that it’s impossible to root for.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 5, 2022 11:25:42 GMT -6
Culture. The same way some teams are almost entirely hard nosed and some are almost entirely soft.
We have a team in our district that is always dirty. Noting terrible as far as late hits in the back or anything like that but lots of pinching and poking, blindside "blocks", etc. A few years ago they were pretty terrible and we were up like 4 scores, 3 of their best/most aggressive players traded around positions and lined up in front of our TE on a xp, absolutely obliterated the kid with no regard for trying to block the kick. Just a cheap shot on the kid for no purpose other that they had beef with him and felt (encouraged by a parent that was on staff for them) that 3 on 1 was a good way to get back at him. Its something taught and passed down from parent to player, coach to player, player to player. They have a new HC that's been there for a few years now (alumni of the school), first thing he did was clean house and bring in better people.
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Post by blb on Oct 5, 2022 12:35:53 GMT -6
Why are some teams so cheap? Regardless of record Regardless of level Regardless of game situation Throw punches Late hits ankle twisting sac grabbing thigh pinching talk crap embarrassment to the game The answer to your question is bad coaching-leadership. If it goes on during a game, that also falls on the officials. |
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Post by morris on Oct 6, 2022 7:31:20 GMT -6
How do people handle the crap like ankle twisting, pinching, and so on? Most of that stuff is happening in the pile and things like that. We don’t find out about that stuff until later. Do you just tell the officials to watch for it?
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Post by Defcord on Oct 6, 2022 8:36:00 GMT -6
How do people handle the crap like ankle twisting, pinching, and so on? Most of that stuff is happening in the pile and things like that. We don’t find out about that stuff until later. Do you just tell the officials to watch for it? A buddy of mine filmed one kid from the other team with an extra camera an entire game. They knew the kid was dirty and they wanted to make sure it was on film. He said it was pretty bad with late hits and hits in the back consistently and also a few punches and stomps. When they turned it into the state they just got an email saying they’d look into it but nothing ever happened. I’ve never gone this far but if there was a dirty enough opponent on the schedule I would do it. And probably let the officials know I was doing it so maybe they’d call the game a little more cautiously. I don’t even know if this is legal but protecting kids should be a priority. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 6, 2022 10:53:02 GMT -6
Sorry, but ankle twisting, punching in the pile, spitting, and smack talk are going to happen. It's not encouraged nor should it be ignored by coaches who have kids who do this stuff. Coach takes a kid out of the game and holds him accountable. Can't control what the other coach does or doesn't do with his team.
Based on some of the recent threads, we're really turning into the moral police on this page. Coaches cuss, good players act like a***oles, and football players get dirty and nasty. Nothing new here guys.
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Post by blb on Oct 6, 2022 11:52:20 GMT -6
Sorry, but ankle twisting, punching in the pile, spitting, and smack talk are going to happen. It's not encouraged nor should it be ignored by coaches who have kids who do this stuff. Coach takes a kid out of the game and holds him accountable. Can't control what the other coach does or doesn't do with his team. Based on some of the recent threads, we're really turning into the moral police on this page. Coaches cuss, good players act like a***oles, and football players get dirty and nasty. Nothing new here guys. Why are they going to happen? Why should they happen? They are unacceptable in HS football. And if you get flagged for them they can cost you a game. |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 6, 2022 12:10:38 GMT -6
Sorry, but ankle twisting, punching in the pile, spitting, and smack talk are going to happen. It's not encouraged nor should it be ignored by coaches who have kids who do this stuff. Coach takes a kid out of the game and holds him accountable. Can't control what the other coach does or doesn't do with his team. Based on some of the recent threads, we're really turning into the moral police on this page. Coaches cuss, good players act like a***oles, and football players get dirty and nasty. Nothing new here guys. Why are they going to happen? Why should they happen? They are unacceptable in HS football. And if you get flagged for them they can cost you a game. Why are they going to happen? Because you're dealing with teenage, testosterone filled boys who are immature. Sometimes it's encouraged by the coach which is terrible. Sometimes it happens because it's encouraged by a parent, sibling, or uncle which is also terrible. It happens at the highest levels of football by adults who can be fined for that kind of stuff. So yes, it's going to happen during a high school football game. Why should they happen? They shouldn't. Yes, they are unacceptable in HS football. Yes, the penalty can cost the team a game. You make relevant and valid points, but the shock and awe from coaches about a team being dirty is a bit silly. Teach your kids to control what they can control. Let the officials know about it and hey, even talk to the opposing coach about it if needed. |
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Post by 19delta on Oct 6, 2022 20:12:19 GMT -6
A team in our conference has a big rock outside their field on which is inscribed "Where the Gentlemen Play". Anyone who played against this team in the 1990s and early 2000s would find that pretty funny.
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Post by olcoach53 on Oct 7, 2022 10:47:06 GMT -6
Why are they going to happen? Why should they happen? They are unacceptable in HS football. And if you get flagged for them they can cost you a game. Why are they going to happen? Because you're dealing with teenage, testosterone filled boys who are immature. Sometimes it's encouraged by the coach which is terrible. Sometimes it happens because it's encouraged by a parent, sibling, or uncle which is also terrible. It happens at the highest levels of football by adults who can be fined for that kind of stuff. So yes, it's going to happen during a high school football game. Why should they happen? They shouldn't. Yes, they are unacceptable in HS football. Yes, the penalty can cost the team a game. You make relevant and valid points, but the shock and awe from coaches about a team being dirty is a bit silly. Teach your kids to control what they can control. Let the officials know about it and hey, even talk to the opposing coach about it if needed. Sorry but this should NOT happen. If you aren't fixing it, you're allowing it. And sometimes there are coaches who not only allow it but encourage it. There is no business for things like this at ANY level of football. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 7, 2022 11:34:15 GMT -6
I agree with everything but the talking crap. I don't want my kids to get penalties talking crap but if they can stay focused and not get penalties while talking crap and it helps them gain an edge talking crap then I am okay with it. I would never ask kids to do anything that put another player's safety at risk. That stuff is ridiculous and uncalled for but I have had kids completely eliminate quality players by talking to them. Unfortunately, we have had guys who have fallen for the trash talk and play poorly too at times.
I tend to agree with this. I'm alright with a little spouting off, as long as we don't draw a penalty.
A few years ago, we had a kid chirping at the opposing team. An official approached me about a kid running his mouth. I pulled the kid, told him to knock it off and sent him back in. The opposing sideline kept griping about the kid and the officials approached me again. I asked the official what was being said and he stated that the opposing coach said the player was "threatening" his guys. Here's the conversation I had with the kid:
"Dude, what're you doing? They said you're threatening kids out there!" "Coach... I was singing 'Mama Said Knock You Out...'..." "Good Lord... Go back in.."
The official approached me again and I was pretty blunt with him; if you're going to flag us over a PG LL Cool J song, then go for it and I'll pull him. If not, tell Coach ____ to get his panties out of a wad. We didn't get flagged but Coach ___ didn't get his panties out a wad and griped all night.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 7, 2022 12:29:11 GMT -6
Why are they going to happen? Because you're dealing with teenage, testosterone filled boys who are immature. Sometimes it's encouraged by the coach which is terrible. Sometimes it happens because it's encouraged by a parent, sibling, or uncle which is also terrible. It happens at the highest levels of football by adults who can be fined for that kind of stuff. So yes, it's going to happen during a high school football game. Why should they happen? They shouldn't. Yes, they are unacceptable in HS football. Yes, the penalty can cost the team a game. You make relevant and valid points, but the shock and awe from coaches about a team being dirty is a bit silly. Teach your kids to control what they can control. Let the officials know about it and hey, even talk to the opposing coach about it if needed. Sorry but this should NOT happen. If you aren't fixing it, you're allowing it. And sometimes there are coaches who not only allow it but encourage it. There is no business for things like this at ANY level of football. A lot of things in our world should not happen, but they do. How we respond to it makes the difference. Certain environments lend themselves to certain behaviors (i.e. teenage boys getting a little dirty while playing a violent game).... I AM NOT CONDONING this behavior. I can only control what I teach my players and how to respond when they don't follow that teaching (BTW, I've probably only coached 1 team that was considered "dirty." and we had lots of those kids who sat the bench because of it).... But I'm also not going to become aghast like some sangria drinking soccer mom when a kid does something a little extra while competing in a violent, emotional game. Another thing that I have noticed, at least from my experience, is that teams who often complain about other teams being "dirty" are pretty dirty themselves and are often in more affluent areas. Meanwhile, they sure do have A LOT of cheap-shotting dudes on their own team but it's okay because they say their classy gentlemen. |
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Post by coachdmyers on Oct 21, 2022 10:01:44 GMT -6
Have any leagues put some kind of protocol in place to deal with egregiously cheap hits after the fact? Just curious.
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 21, 2022 14:29:51 GMT -6
Have any leagues put some kind of protocol in place to deal with egregiously cheap hits after the fact? Just curious. If there are any fights/ejections, teams are supposed to keep filming and send the film to the League office. Also, we are encouraged to send in clips of bad officiating calls for review and training. I'm not sure about what you're asking for. |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 22, 2022 9:53:37 GMT -6
It is coached or allowed.
Have played teams with bad reputations and then they got a new coach. All that crap stopped. All of it. And they performed better also.
One isolated incidence is just a one-off. Whatever. Also, sometimes you coach one crazy kid. But, one crazy kid who consistently does it is being allowed to do it.
So, coaching. Period. I have seen private, public, rich, poor, urban, suburban, and rural dirty schools. I have also seen all those types of schools play super clean and have great sportsmanship.
Coaching.
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