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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2021 16:48:06 GMT -6
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Post by Defcord on Dec 9, 2021 17:02:30 GMT -6
This is ridiculous and attention seeking in my opinion. Maybe if it was completely in house I could at least see what the coach is trying to accomplish but seems like just another Twitter look-at-me grab for recognition.
I could get a little more behind the opposite approach: “Attention recruiters here are the kids with great grades, great attitudes, great whatever…”
The article showed one response that said something like “I trust you aren’t playing those guys on Fridays.” It would be interesting to know if the high school coach plays those kids he’s telling recruiters not to go after.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 9, 2021 17:13:10 GMT -6
I don't see that happening in a public school...😆
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Post by wingtol on Dec 9, 2021 17:27:08 GMT -6
I see your point somewhat but it's HS football. For us nothing is mandatory until the first official day so saying you're allowing it in the off season is kind of a half truth. Sure you can come up with ways to hold them accountable but at the same time if they show up the first day cleared to play ya still can't stop them. It's HS ball, there will be dudes who do nothing or the absolute minimum in the off season and still are better than 95% of the kids that do. The list in the picture is blank so maybe this is a warning shot being fired like "don't end up on this list" to motivate kids. Didn't LSU do this for NFL scouts a few years ago? I feel a bit better about that than pulling this at a HS level. If you're serious about this with recruiters there are ways to send them signals to when they ask about a kid. If you're only talking about their play on the field when they ask about them or are just like you got the film and can talk to him yourself etc they can get the hint about their character. |
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 9, 2021 17:59:27 GMT -6
LSU did forever ago... I tell our kids "I won't lie for you". If a coach asks me about you, I'm giving them the WHOLE truth...
Academics
Weights
Work Ethic
Practice
Film
TOTAL PACKAGE
If you don't like the truth, it is up to you to change it. While I agree that "we allow it" should be a thought... I have 40 kids in my program top to bottom. I have to pick my battles or I'm fired when we forfeit because I bench kids for things that (many) parents think are "trivial"
Last year I caught kids cheating on grades/schoolwork (blatantly) and to me that's a huge no-no. Told kids they weren't playing on Friday. You wouldn't believe the {censored} storm that caused... "you can't take away football for something he did in class" was mentioned several times... thats a hill I'll gladly die on. Good thing my admin agrees. Student more impressed than athlete.
I told a top-10 fcs school today the truth about a couple kids, so he thanked me for not wasting his time and he'll be back. I'm not ruining my rep with guys over a kid I know isn't gonna cut it. Them what happens when I have a kid?
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Dec 9, 2021 19:33:12 GMT -6
Why not do a list of attention recruiters here are the kids who attend 80% of workouts, have a GPA over 2.8? Make it a celebration instead of a public shaming. Those who know know whose names are missing, as do the student athletes, but no one can get angry or call you out as it’s all positive.
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 9, 2021 21:28:58 GMT -6
Weird virtue signaling and negativity. I swear I genuinely dislike football coaches as a breed, I just like the individual football coach.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 9, 2021 22:58:05 GMT -6
Especially "social media coaches." We get it, you're a coach. Put your phone down and do your job.
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Post by CS on Dec 10, 2021 3:48:09 GMT -6
Someone trying to get Twitter famous
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Post by coachjm on Dec 10, 2021 4:39:22 GMT -6
Have no use for this stuff... If I have a kid not working as hard as we would like or coming late we talk with him about it... If it continues I generally talk to their parents... If it continues and the kid has a desire to play college football I make sure that him and his parent know that this is the stuff I am responsible for sharing with the college coaches in recruitment. Generally, if they are successful college recruit step 1 suffices, never do we have to get to step 3 if they truly have ambition to be a college football player.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 10, 2021 4:45:46 GMT -6
I dont really get the point of this.....looks bad, and if you did it at most public schools you would probably be in the office pretty quick.....that being said.....do you all have guys who are getting recruited that arent good kids who pretty much do what they are supposed to do? Maybe its just me but every kid I have had who could play at the next level generally did what they were supposed to do. I've never had a turd bucket who was getting recruited I guess....
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Post by newhope on Dec 10, 2021 6:57:22 GMT -6
I think most of us are in agreement: twitter attention is the goal.
A couple of additional things I agree with above: I'll tell the college coaches in person who works and who doesn't, I don't need a sign. I tell the players I'm going to be honest. If you've got guys who can't do any of those things, how are they being recruited unless you're playing them despite the fact they do none of those things???
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Post by NC1974 on Dec 10, 2021 9:11:57 GMT -6
Attentions recruiters, We high school coaches exist to serve you. Our sole purpose is to act as your farm system.
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Post by jgordon1 on Dec 10, 2021 9:39:34 GMT -6
Someone trying to get Twitter famous It was weird as that program is arguably one of the better hs programs in the nation. Keep your crap in house for christ sake |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Dec 10, 2021 9:51:06 GMT -6
Isn't it the truth that if the kid can ball they don't give a ish about weightroom or grades???
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Post by coachcb on Dec 10, 2021 10:02:58 GMT -6
Outside of disagreeing with this on many, many grounds, it just wouldn't fly in this state. Someone would take a pic, send it to Montana High School Sports Association and there would be heavy-handed consequences from that organization. It would be viewed as making off-season participation mandatory and we'd be lucky to have a coaching job after it was all said and done. This would apply to the private schools in the state as well.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 10, 2021 10:17:27 GMT -6
Weird virtue signaling and negativity. I swear I genuinely dislike football coaches as a breed, I just like the individual football coach. Same boat here. I actually dislike the atmosphere/culture of football more and more, but my itch to coach the game keeps me going strong. Outside of coaching for my team, and watching on my own at home, I typically avoid football spaces all together now. |
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 10, 2021 11:02:06 GMT -6
Isn't it the truth that if the kid can ball they don't give a ish about weightroom or grades??? Not the guys who are recruiting heavy around here. On a non-official, "hey I just wanna say hi" visit, they don't, but if they are there to see a kid, they are asking for transcripts, asking if I'd let him watch my house if I was out of town, and things like that. There is plenty of talent out there... college guys lose their jobs for kids acting a fool these days. |
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Post by redandwhite on Dec 10, 2021 14:22:11 GMT -6
I'm not ruining my rep with guys over a kid I know isn't gonna cut it. Them what happens when I have a kid? This |
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Post by coachcb on Dec 10, 2021 14:52:39 GMT -6
Isn't it the truth that if the kid can ball they don't give a ish about weightroom or grades???
This hasn't been my experience. The recruiters always ask the following types of questions:
1. Are they a decent student? 2. How is their behavior, in school and in football? 3. Do they have an off-season work ethic.
They've know the kid can play, they need to know if they're going to be a headache for them.
I've always been blunt with the recruiters. We had two NAIA/D2 level RBs one year and both were being looked at by multiple programs. They were "C" average students, they had both gotten into legal trouble and, in the off-season and I could count on both hands the number of times they darkened the weight room's door in two years. I feel like I did them a favor; they both went to trade school and are now making a whole helluva lot more money than I am. I don't they would've survived a 4-year university.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 15:24:25 GMT -6
Isn't it the truth that if the kid can ball they don't give a ish about weightroom or grades??? Not the guys who are recruiting heavy around here. On a non-official, "hey I just wanna say hi" visit, they don't, but if they are there to see a kid, they are asking for transcripts, asking if I'd let him watch my house if I was out of town, and things like that. There is plenty of talent out there... college guys lose their jobs for kids acting a fool these days. This is what I see. Its mandatory when the college coaches come around. You cant hide lack of work from those guys. And if you are selling kids, you better be right. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 10, 2021 17:55:49 GMT -6
I thought it was pretty ballsy in this day and age to act like a HS coach has any role in whether a kid gets recruited.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 10, 2021 19:30:42 GMT -6
Isn't it the truth that if the kid can ball they don't give a ish about weightroom or grades??? No. As others have mentioned, character counts. Now the schools may make a decision to take the chance, but given the choice between a kid who has already shown the propensity to make bad decisions or not work terribly hard and a similarly talented player who is a model citizen and student-athlete, they want the better kid. Remember recruiting is tiered. There are only "X" number of the most coveted spots. |
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Post by carookie on Dec 10, 2021 23:03:46 GMT -6
I dont really get the point of this.....looks bad, and if you did it at most public schools you would probably be in the office pretty quick.....that being said.....do you all have guys who are getting recruited that arent good kids who pretty much do what they are supposed to do? Maybe its just me but every kid I have had who could play at the next level generally did what they were supposed to do. I've never had a turd bucket who was getting recruited I guess.... For the most part, yeah. But I've had a few kids who were getting D1 looks but had 'issues'. I'm hesitant to call them 'turd buckets' but definitely knew they wouldnt cut the mustard at the next level. |
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Post by realdawg on Dec 12, 2021 6:54:54 GMT -6
The bottom line is, you can tell the recruiter the truth, without doing this. This is for show and publicity, and I am not sure its the type of publicity most of us would want.
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Post by somecoach on Dec 12, 2021 18:22:19 GMT -6
Paper itself? Just a stupid motivational tool that has backfired on twitter.
In reality here is the dilemma:
Kid A is a great football player with great measurables and film ... but is a PIA in all other aspects of life.
College coach comes in to your office, looks you in the eye and asks you man to man how is he off the field?
you have two options:
(1) lie/down play the PIA status and now you roll the dice that if he blows up you lose ALL credibility for the next recruits
(2) Be honest with the coach and say he needs "a little extra attention"
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Post by newhope on Dec 14, 2021 9:13:51 GMT -6
I thought it was pretty ballsy in this day and age to act like a HS coach has any role in whether a kid gets recruited. Of course they do. The depth of that role depends on the situation, but coaches still play a role in recruiting. If I got the Manning kid, recruiters may not care about what I think, but for most kids they do--and some will care about a high profile kid as well. I had a kid who had offers from everybody. They all asked the same questions about him. When he was going into the professional baseball draft, I got calls from lots of scouts and GMs of major league teams asking those same questions we get about our players. I wasn't even his baseball coach and I got calls about him from those guys. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 14, 2021 16:21:30 GMT -6
I thought it was pretty ballsy in this day and age to act like a HS coach has any role in whether a kid gets recruited. Of course they do. The depth of that role depends on the situation, but coaches still play a role in recruiting. If I got the Manning kid, recruiters may not care about what I think, but for most kids they do--and some will care about a high profile kid as well. I had a kid who had offers from everybody. They all asked the same questions about him. When he was going into the professional baseball draft, I got calls from lots of scouts and GMs of major league teams asking those same questions we get about our players. I wasn't even his baseball coach and I got calls about him from those guys. I had 3 kids who received some amount of money to play college football in my career. I was never contacted about any of them by a recruiter. I asked around in my area and other coaches said they'd had similar experiences. The common theme was that with social media and Hudl colleges just didn't need to talk to the coaches anymore. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 14, 2021 19:12:48 GMT -6
Of course they do. The depth of that role depends on the situation, but coaches still play a role in recruiting. If I got the Manning kid, recruiters may not care about what I think, but for most kids they do--and some will care about a high profile kid as well. I had a kid who had offers from everybody. They all asked the same questions about him. When he was going into the professional baseball draft, I got calls from lots of scouts and GMs of major league teams asking those same questions we get about our players. I wasn't even his baseball coach and I got calls about him from those guys. I had 3 kids who received some amount of money to play college football in my career. I was never contacted about any of them by a recruiter. I asked around in my area and other coaches said they'd had similar experiences. The common theme was that with social media and Hudl colleges just didn't need to talk to the coaches anymore. I think it depends on the offers to be honest. If the offer is an actual investment in the student athlete, I am betting the college coaches do their due diligence. If the offer is an "offer" that is really more of a small tuition reduction being used to induce the student to enroll in the school, they probably don't care what the HS coaches have to say. |
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Post by mc140 on Dec 14, 2021 21:23:29 GMT -6
Of course they do. The depth of that role depends on the situation, but coaches still play a role in recruiting. If I got the Manning kid, recruiters may not care about what I think, but for most kids they do--and some will care about a high profile kid as well. I had a kid who had offers from everybody. They all asked the same questions about him. When he was going into the professional baseball draft, I got calls from lots of scouts and GMs of major league teams asking those same questions we get about our players. I wasn't even his baseball coach and I got calls about him from those guys. I had 3 kids who received some amount of money to play college football in my career. I was never contacted about any of them by a recruiter. I asked around in my area and other coaches said they'd had similar experiences. The common theme was that with social media and Hudl colleges just didn't need to talk to the coaches anymore.
We are always contacted by the D1/1aa schools when they have interest. Smaller schools are a crap shoot. But most are just trying to get bodies into the school as it is.
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