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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 20:47:03 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Dec 2, 2006 20:47:03 GMT -6
It has to be, doesn't it?
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 20:55:33 GMT -6
Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2006 20:55:33 GMT -6
GOT to be.......
T-E-B-O-W!
I don't see how you can discount the SEC. I grew up in BigTen Country, but Woody Hayes is dead, man.....weaaaaaaaak schedules of the Big 10.
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 22:10:28 GMT -6
Post by blackfly73 on Dec 2, 2006 22:10:28 GMT -6
Actually... most of the 'experts' running numbers predicted Michigan is in all week - unless Florida whipped Arkansas - and I don't think 10 pts is a whipping.
Despite the SERIOUSLY ridiculous job that the guys on CBS did of lobbying for Florida. That was a fabulous piece of biased lobbying - I hope the SEC bought them some beers after the game.
Yes.... florida has the #1 ranked schedule...
BUT... what they failed to mention is that the supposedly (according to CBS) weaker Big-10 Schedule that UM played... IS THE #3 RANKED schedule in the country.
Michigan loses by 3 to OSU, beats the spread - and let's be honest, a point spread is a SERIOUS indicator of where EXPERTS think teams are - those Vegas boys are PAID to get a point spread correct. It's been well documented and statistical fact that a home field advantage is worth 3 points in college football.
So 'statistically' (which is what you have to go by for the Florida argument)... Michigan is EQUAL with Ohio State - or at least deserving of a rematch.
Yes I know Florida played 1 extra game... BUT... the BCS had USC above Florida... and USC had a weaker schedule, and also did not have that extra championship game - same situation as Michigan.
The goal is to get the 2 best teams in the country in that game.... and that should be REGARDLESS of a rematch - we've seen rematches in a bowl before (some FSU-Miami games).
GO BLUE.
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 22:21:23 GMT -6
Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2006 22:21:23 GMT -6
how did UM fair in the Big Ten Championship game today?
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 22:29:01 GMT -6
Post by blackfly73 on Dec 2, 2006 22:29:01 GMT -6
OSU didn't play a Big 10 championship game - neither did USC
Should this count against them in the BCS?
Michigan lost to the best team in the country. Florida lost to a team BELOW the quality of Wisconsin (being Auburn).
Michigan #3 ranked schedule
Florida #1 ranked schedule.
Michigan loses by 3 @ #1 OSU
Florida loses to #11 ranked Auburn by 10.
Michigan's 1 loss comes against a BETTER opponent - and by less points.
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 22:32:03 GMT -6
Post by blackfly73 on Dec 2, 2006 22:32:03 GMT -6
Why not Boise State even?
They did RIP Oregon State 42-14 who beat USC
They are 12-0.
Plus... they play on BLUE turf!
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 23:01:22 GMT -6
Post by Coach Goodnight on Dec 2, 2006 23:01:22 GMT -6
I think that the whole BCS stuff is a crock of crap!!! PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS, we need a PLAYOFF system, and leave the bowls for those not in the playoffs!!
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 23:03:50 GMT -6
Post by coachdawhip on Dec 2, 2006 23:03:50 GMT -6
If you don't win your conference you don't deserve to play for the title, it's that simple.
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 23:12:18 GMT -6
Post by blackfly73 on Dec 2, 2006 23:12:18 GMT -6
So if the Big Ten HAD a title game... wouldn't Michigan and OSU play again at a NEUTRAL site?
Like the Fiesta Bowl ? ;D
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 23:19:57 GMT -6
Post by Coach Huey on Dec 2, 2006 23:19:57 GMT -6
So if the Big Ten HAD a title game... wouldn't Michigan and OSU play again at a NEUTRAL site? Like the Fiesta Bowl ? ;D haha ... good point... but, that would also mean that only one of them would then play for the national championship
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dq
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 23:20:42 GMT -6
Post by dq on Dec 2, 2006 23:20:42 GMT -6
there is no team in the country that goes undefeated in the SEC No ONE!
If you play in the toughest confrence in the nation and you have only one lose
there should be no discussion. the Big Blue had their shot down range and missed.
it's like watching a rematch against Roy Jones in his prime----It's a waste of our time.
The SEC gets no respect from the media except the commit its the toughest confrence
it's all about Usc, Notre Dame, OU, UT, ( the folks in Bayou Country always give love to the
BIG 12 ) OSU & The Blue. don't get me wrong i truely believe OSU is the best in the land this
year but there are some teams that have 2 losses that are peaking we ne the Play-offs!!!!!!
USC vs. LSU for the ROSES!!!!!
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UF-OSU
Dec 2, 2006 23:48:28 GMT -6
Post by saintrad on Dec 2, 2006 23:48:28 GMT -6
hey if we are talking one loss teams that should be BCS-ing...then why not wisconsin
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 2:33:21 GMT -6
Post by Yash on Dec 3, 2006 2:33:21 GMT -6
My take on this whole thing is I want to see florida. Will it be a good game, I sure hope so, does it have blow out potential like the 2005 game OU vs USC, a little bit because OSU is pretty darn good, but it also has upset potential ala Texas vs USC last year. The michigan vs Ohio state game was a great game, but really it was a game of watching michigan play catch up all day. once OSU got the lead, michigan couldn't stop them. they couldn't defend the 5 wide all day. I'd like to see someone else give it a try. I don't buy the well michigan didn't win their conference line because the only team they lost to is the best team in the nation so that argument doesn't hold water. I just want to see someone else give it a shot. Really, michigan had their shot of getting to the NC game and lost it, give the gators a chance.
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 6:46:46 GMT -6
Post by coachjd on Dec 3, 2006 6:46:46 GMT -6
who's to say the 2 best teams in the country cannot be from the same conference? Besides, is threre a cure for Laurinaitis??
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 9:31:25 GMT -6
Post by airman on Dec 3, 2006 9:31:25 GMT -6
I give the sec credit for being a athletic league. but really when you are playing in sunshine all the time what do you have to battle? maybe some rain, some heat early on.
in the big ten it starts off in summer conditions and then the field in frozen at the end.
I say this, bring a sec team north in november say to ann arbor or columbus or madison and lets see how good the sec is when you play in real football weather. we go south for the bowl season. I think a acc or sec big ten weekend would be cool in last novmber.
I personally would like to see florida come to michigan. those small dlineman would not now what to do when the hogs drive block their ass 10 yds. the sec the lineman are tiny compared to the big ten.
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 10:31:28 GMT -6
Post by jdwatters on Dec 3, 2006 10:31:28 GMT -6
I've given my opinion to death on this subject in three other threads so I'm not going to start again but... I LOVE how critics and college football analysts now seem to call ND "highly overrated" when they try to make a case for UF going to Glendale. Wasn't ND in their eyes a Nat'l Championship candidate with a possible Heisman winner 6 weeks ago? I still think in a way the best thing that could happen is a rematch, that way we could have alot of pissed off people including the commissioner of the BCS (who is the commisioner of the SEC) trying to figure out a better way to run this. I bleed Michigan Blue, but I've followed Urban Meyer for a while now and have tried to cheer for his teams, so I am at a quasi-peace with whoever goes. And if UF goes, UM will destroy USC in the Rose Bowl
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 13:51:39 GMT -6
Post by suedeknight on Dec 3, 2006 13:51:39 GMT -6
I've been hooting and hollering for Florida for a few weeks now for the reason "Michigan had their shot". I don't think OSU and UM are unquestionably the 2 best teams in the country, so give someone else a shot. And why not Florida with the schedule they dealt with? We can talk mathematics of difficulty of schedule all day, but it's not the end all be all of the decision making process. I would think if it were, our discussion here would be moot. As much as I like the idea of the BCS (and abhor the playoff idea), the math of it still gets debated and complained about every dang year. At the very least, with Florida, OSU will see something different.
On that note, going back to coachdawhip's comment...how different a discussion would this be if Wisconsin had beaten Michigan? UW and OSU are unbeaten from the same conference but did not play each other this year. Oh the complaints and debates we could have then! (I would be completely biased, so I'll reserve further comment)
Unless Michigan goes and beats OSU or Florida goes and does better than losing by 3, the BCS will continue taking a beating. So I'll root for whoever isn't wearing OSU colors on that day. ...even though Laurinaitus' dad still scares the crap out of me.
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 15:59:17 GMT -6
Post by c63cross on Dec 3, 2006 15:59:17 GMT -6
The problem with this discussion is the fact we are comparing teams with different scenarios. Florida has a conference championship game, ND, USC, UM, OSU have no such game. If Florida did not have last nights game would they have passed UM by beating FSU a non ranked team by 7? When all teams play on an equal scenario, then the debate will be final.
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 21:00:29 GMT -6
Post by kkennedy on Dec 3, 2006 21:00:29 GMT -6
If you don't win your conference you don't deserve to play for the title, it's that simple. Nebraska???
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 21:02:37 GMT -6
Post by Coach Huey on Dec 3, 2006 21:02:37 GMT -6
think nebraska ('01) and oklahoma ('03) are exactly the reasons many want only conference champions playing for the title. think many people have hard time believing the 2 best teams in the country play in the same conference, that may be why bcs went the way of florida
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 21:19:49 GMT -6
Post by brophy on Dec 3, 2006 21:19:49 GMT -6
to be honest, I could care less who gets crowned a "National Champion", I think there should be good sensible matchups at the end of the year.
You can go to playoffs, but it's going to come down to arguing who should be #14 or #16 in the brackets...you can't win. ESPECIALLY if you not all conferences have a championship game. How many Big Ten championships have been shared over the years?
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 21:23:07 GMT -6
Post by kkennedy on Dec 3, 2006 21:23:07 GMT -6
I would rather argue about #16 than argue about #2. You want great matchups then great don't try to have a sham of a national championship. Just have your bowls game and let the polls decide or just don't have a NC at all.
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 22:19:27 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Dec 3, 2006 22:19:27 GMT -6
I would rather argue about #16 than argue about #2. You want great matchups then great don't try to have a sham of a national championship. Just have your bowls game and let the polls decide or just don't have a NC at all. C'mon, coach...a little too much hyperbole here! Do you really think it is a "sham"? It is certainly not perfect, but it is hardly a "sham". Does Ohio State deserve to play for the National Championship? I think they do, so they are where they are supposed to be. As to their opponent, well, you may disagree with Florida, but Florida clearly deserves to be playing in the game. Maybe Michigan is equally deserving or even a little more deserving, but Florida is a darn good team and certainly deserves to be included in a conversation about potential contenders to Ohio State. Not the BEST system? I would agree with that. A sham? I don't think so...
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 22:25:19 GMT -6
Post by kkennedy on Dec 3, 2006 22:25:19 GMT -6
Yeah your right sham might have been a little over the top. But why was the BSC created?? to give us THE #1 and THE #2 no questions asked national championship game. This system has failed a heck of alot more than it has suceeded. Add to the the fact that the head man in charge at the BCS is the SAME guy that is in charge of the SEC and that does not look good either. The ONLY way to get a true national champion is to have a playoff though. There is no denying that. In fact lets look at this scenario, what if Florida wins a tight ugly game and Michigan rolls USC. Split NC again??
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 22:26:04 GMT -6
Post by wildcat on Dec 3, 2006 22:26:04 GMT -6
to be honest, I could care less who gets crowned a "National Champion", I think there should be good sensible matchups at the end of the year. You can go to playoffs, but it's going to come down to arguing who should be #14 or #16 in the brackets...you can't win. ESPECIALLY if you not all conferences have a championship game. How many Big Ten championships have been shared over the years? Brophy - I think that would be a pretty easy fix... Conference ties happen all the time here in Illinois. Because of that, there are all sorts of tie-breakers like win/loss record of teams played, total wins of opponents, points scored during the year, etc, etc. So, I don't think a conference championship game would necessarily be required. With that being said, I agree with you about the selection criteria. If D-IA goes to a 16 or 24 or 32 team field, there would definately be controversey about what teams are in, what teams are out, where they get seeded, and who they play. Think about March Madness in basketball...how many people are upset when "their" team gets seeded lower than they thought they should be or when their team gets placed in a regional that they don't agree with?
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UF-OSU
Dec 3, 2006 22:45:05 GMT -6
Post by kkennedy on Dec 3, 2006 22:45:05 GMT -6
But at the end of march madness there is no argument about who the national champion is. Thats the difference. Argue about who should be the last team to make the field fine. Argue about who should be seeded where and thats fine too. But by all means when its all said and done you would decide your NC on the field and not with politicing.
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moose18
Junior Member
"If it didn't matter who won or lost, they wouldn't keep score"
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UF-OSU
Dec 4, 2006 7:50:21 GMT -6
Post by moose18 on Dec 4, 2006 7:50:21 GMT -6
Its about who has better wins, not better losses Blackfly. Michigan's beat two top 25 teams- ND and Wisc, who in turn beat ZERO top 25 teams. Florida beat 3 top 25 teams (LSU, UT, and Arkansas) who in turn beat FIVE top 25 teams. I think that about sums it up.
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UF-OSU
Dec 4, 2006 9:28:00 GMT -6
Post by pantherpride91 on Dec 4, 2006 9:28:00 GMT -6
Its about who has better wins, not better losses Blackfly. Michigan's beat two top 25 teams- ND and Wisc, who in turn beat ZERO top 25 teams. Florida beat 3 top 25 teams (LSU, UT, and Arkansas) who in turn beat FIVE top 25 teams. I think that about sums it up. That is a great point. I just do not see where you can say that hands down Michigan is the number two team in the nation. Why do you think Wisconsin got overlooked for a BCS game?!? They have not beat anyone! The only reason Notre Dame got into a BCS game is because they bring a huge following and its good for tv. They got handled by USC and Michigan. Their biggest win came against a down Penn State team. Their next biggest win would have to be UCLA which took a last minute comeback. For all the people feeling sorry for Michigan I just can not see it. Are they good? Yes they are a very good team, but not in the status of saying they are hands down number two in the nation this year. Florida and Ohio State is going be a great game to watch. I can not wait to see that spread against the Ohio State defense.
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UF-OSU
Dec 4, 2006 9:34:07 GMT -6
Post by brophy on Dec 4, 2006 9:34:07 GMT -6
Its about who has better wins, not better losses Blackfly. Michigan's beat two top 25 teams- ND and Wisc, who in turn beat ZERO top 25 teams. Florida beat 3 top 25 teams (LSU, UT, and Arkansas) who in turn beat FIVE top 25 teams. I think that about sums it up. that's probably the BEST argument I've heard.....Michigan had problems with Illinois, and although the score was close with OSU, once they got behind, they just didnt' have an answer for the speed of OSU....reminescent of the bowl game they had with UT a few years back (when it was ALL Vince Young)
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UF-OSU
Dec 4, 2006 9:53:02 GMT -6
Post by knighter on Dec 4, 2006 9:53:02 GMT -6
blah, blah, blah
how does uf jump 2 spots ahead of um when um does not play? urban meyer and his "pleas".
um betas uf head up, IMO
sec is toughest conference in who's eyes exactly?
i know not mine....
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