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Post by coachbilderback on Nov 26, 2007 20:30:16 GMT -6
I know this is not the right type of forum, but I am just sick that this is happened.
I am a Southern Miss grad, and can't get over that they fired Jeff Bower. He has had 14 straight winning seasons and he gets fired. I can't believe it has come to this.
I just hope this doesn't trickle down to high schools. I hate to see coaches get fired because this is our livelihood. When will enough be enough.
Huey I am sorry to put this on here just as being a coach I hate to see this happen and had to rant.
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Post by tog on Nov 26, 2007 20:34:47 GMT -6
Let's turn this into something we can talk about then.
What do coaches get fired for?
Let's name the ways and stories (leave the names out)
I know one coach that won the state championship but didn't play the school board member's boy and got canned after the clique in the small town got riled up about it by the school board member.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 26, 2007 20:40:19 GMT -6
Sadly enough that happens more often than not in small towns.. If you dont play the right kids, sucessful or not you can lose a job due to a disgruntled parent who is or is friends with a board member!
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Post by burtledog on Nov 26, 2007 21:15:34 GMT -6
In such firings in HS, do you all have a hard or easy time getting a similar job. I mean if a college coach had a great season and got fired for something reasonably petty (not misconduct or having no control over his players) he would be able to go directly to another good or better job I would think.
Greg the Amature
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Post by bigcroz on Nov 26, 2007 21:19:14 GMT -6
I am HC in a small town and had the interim superintendant attempt to get me fired at a school board meeting after leading team to first ever winning season and trip to the playoffs, and being named HM coach of the year by the AP. Luckily 2 of the board members had kids on my team and threw a fit over it so it got squashed. LOL boy to live in a small town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't matter how good of a coach you are or what kind of kids your program turns out, you still have to please the right people or ....................SEE YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by coachorr on Nov 26, 2007 21:49:53 GMT -6
I worked with a guy who was let go after he won a state title bc he did not play a board member's kid.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2007 22:05:07 GMT -6
I was let go after my first season (which included a playoff run) because I was suddenly a "bad teacher". Went from satisfactory to excellent on my first three years of observations, but suddenly when I was HC I was a bad teacher? Maybe that was the case, but I find it interesting that every time I went in to talk to the Princ he had to first tell me that my problems had nothing to do with football.  I'm happy I'm gone from there now, but it was about as big a railroad job as I've ever seen. they've also done a very good job of painting me as the worst coach in the history of football since I left too. They've even gone as far as to say I was a bad wrestling coach. Despite the fact that I won more meets in three years than they had in the past decade and a half combined. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was going to be tenured after that year and the super didn't like me because I didn't kiss his butt enough. But at least I'm not angry about it anymore.  |
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 26, 2007 23:27:18 GMT -6
When I was in high school they fired the softball coach after winning back to back state championships because he yelled at a girl and one of the big boosters (yes even boosters in softball) daughter didn't get nominated for all-state.
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Post by superpower on Nov 27, 2007 8:32:39 GMT -6
I think a lot of the firings are because of a change in our overall society. We now live in an era of convenience and instant gratification, and people are not willing to be patient. Everyone wants a quick fix. In sports it started with owners like Daniel Snyder of the Redskins and then it trickled down to the collegiate level. Now I am afraid it is a reality at the high school level as well, and I don't see the pendulum swinging back the other direction. Sadly, the internet seems to give fans and parents more of a voice as well.
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Post by bopper235 on Nov 27, 2007 8:43:28 GMT -6
I know this is not the right type of forum, but I am just sick that this is happened. I am a Southern Miss grad, and can't get over that they fired Jeff Bower. He has had 14 straight winning seasons and he gets fired. I can't believe it has come to this. I just hope this doesn't trickle down to high schools. I hate to see coaches get fired because this is our livelihood. When will enough be enough. Huey I am sorry to put this on here just as being a coach I hate to see this happen and had to rant. Now coach I understand that Coach Bower is a Southern Mississippi Legend but he should have be fired a long time ago. He has had some of the best offensive and defensive coordinators in College Football and very talented players yet you go 7-4 every year in the C-USA. He should have been fired years ago but his ties to Southern Miss kept him there! |
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Post by dhooper on Nov 27, 2007 8:46:54 GMT -6
You boys know the saying, there two types of coaches those who have been fired and those who are going too be fired. At my last job they couldn't find a reason to fire me so they told me your still are coach we just have to cut your teaching position. It all came down because I didn't start the local judge’s son at QB. I took them to the play offs for the first time for a long time. (my first year there) To top this off the judge has a law suit against the school over me because his son got 50% less playing time. (two years later) No kidding I just got the papers. It shouldn’t even make court, but its politics. Sometimes as a coach you wonder is it worth it.
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 27, 2007 9:20:15 GMT -6
Now coach I understand that Coach Bower is a Southern Mississippi Legend but he should have be fired a long time ago. He has had some of the best offensive and defensive coordinators in College Football and very talented players yet you go 7-4 every year in the C-USA. He should have been fired years ago but his ties to Southern Miss kept him there!
Hold up now. You are overlooking the fact that HE'S AT SOUTHERN MISS!!!!!
They are the third school.......in Mississippi. A talent rich state, but is constantly raided by Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Tennessee not too mention Miss. State and Ole Miss. It's not like people are pouring a lot of money into Hattiesburg or anything.
They guy built the program. Whether he was going 7-4 or not. Who the hell are they going to hire better than Jeff Bower?
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 27, 2007 9:37:30 GMT -6
I think a lot of the firings are because of a change in our overall society. We now live in an era of convenience and instant gratification, and people are not willing to be patient. Everyone wants a quick fix. In sports it started with owners like Daniel Snyder of the Redskins and then it trickled down to the collegiate level. Now I am afraid it is a reality at the high school level as well, and I don't see the pendulum swinging back the other direction. Sadly, the internet seems to give fans and parents more of a voice as well. Couldn't agree more.........what would happen if our power went out, the sewage treatment plant stopped working, the supermarket closed and the garbage man stopped coming.............REALITY would happen................people would stop complaining about stupid wins and losses that they have no stake in and start caring about things that are important.........imHo |
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Post by WB22 on Nov 27, 2007 9:48:28 GMT -6
Let's look at who's doing the firing. At many schools (including mine), the board acts alone - as the sole judge of every coach. They don't even consider the opinion of the AD or the principal, or anyone else. So, we have a nurse, a trucker (illiterate), a kitchen cabinet guy, a bondsman, and a retired principal deciding my fate as a coach. Exactly what qualifies them to judge a coach ? Nothing. There are two of them that don't like me because of the offense I run & one who is sitting on the fence, largely because I took the place of his cousin.
Not exactly a glowing endorsement for democracy !
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Post by coachbigelow on Nov 27, 2007 12:48:02 GMT -6
Coach out here fired after one season. He had a 2-7 season and got fired after 5 months of being head coach. He has set up an appeal regarding being let go, he doesn't know why he was let go, the principal wouldn't tell him I guess. He claims certain assistant coaches and parents have stabbed him in the back.
I know some people from the town and it seems like the people there are still stuck on the 2004 team which lost in the first round of the playoffs. It was the best team in a long time going undefeated in the regular season and being the only team to beat the eventual state champ that year. You hear them talk and they are still bitter over it.
Problem is that in 2005 the team was 4-7, 2006's team was 3-8. The head coach left after the 3-8 year so I don't know what they were expecting with the new coach. I guess someone who made the team be competitive.
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Post by djwesp on Nov 27, 2007 15:03:01 GMT -6
Let's turn this into something we can talk about then. What do coaches get fired for? Let's name the ways and stories (leave the names out) Here's a good example. 1. Coach needs recruits to come to school, they are the greatest in state recruits his state has ever had. 2. Recruits don't want to come to his school. 3. He hires THEIR H.C./famous clinician/innovator/book writer, to be the offensive coordinator. 4. Coach tells both new HC and recruits that their hc will be able to run his offense. 5. Recruits get there. Head coach still calls and directs all the plays. OC is only a figure head and has no control over any facet of the team or the offense. 6. Recruits transfer after one season. 7. OC leaves after one season (wins rivals OC of the year). 8. HC gets caught having an affair with television reporter. 9. HC's team, with the greatest player in the nation, finally beats someone. 10. Coach resigns in shame. |
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Post by burtledog on Nov 27, 2007 18:36:18 GMT -6
Can we normally just say that the only value the squeeky wheels see in a coach is wins and losses w/o a major scandal being revealed?
We are rapidly descending farther into a shallow, nearly valueless society...that's wrong the values are there, they are just shallow.
Greg
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Post by coachf on Nov 28, 2007 17:23:01 GMT -6
I was let go after my first season (which included a playoff run) because I was suddenly a "bad teacher". Went from satisfactory to excellent on my first three years of observations, but suddenly when I was HC I was a bad teacher? Maybe that was the case, but I find it interesting that every time I went in to talk to the Princ he had to first tell me that my problems had nothing to do with football. I'm happy I'm gone from there now, but it was about as big a railroad job as I've ever seen. they've also done a very good job of painting me as the worst coach in the history of football since I left too. They've even gone as far as to say I was a bad wrestling coach. Despite the fact that I won more meets in three years than they had in the past decade and a half combined. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was going to be tenured after that year and the super didn't like me because I didn't kiss his butt enough. But at least I'm not angry about it anymore. Yeah...you got screwed and I helped. Seriously, though, one assistant I have was fired because he left the door to the weight room open before school started, so the kids could lift. And he was in there with them. The real reason- the Asst. principal or principal (not sure) wanted to see his son on the field more...and eventually the principal became the Head coach.  |
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Post by jraybern on Nov 29, 2007 15:39:41 GMT -6
Can we do more to protect ourselves? I really don't know. Maybe I'm the type of person, and maybe this will cost me a job someday, but usually a successful coach who is doing the right thing has more supporters than the opposition. I had one, ONE, parent issue this season. It helps the team was 0-9 last year and my first year we went 6-3. But this parent is an employee of the district. A teacher in another building. He confronted me after the first game to say his son should be playing. I fired back that I was coaching the team and he could back off. Any time a community member comes to me to congratulate me on the season I thank them and then talk some FB with them. One I want them to feel a part of the team, attendance is awful here at games. And two, I want them to see me as a genuine person. Maybe I'm making friends/allies for the future. If we go 6-3 next year with the kids we have, it will be a huge success. But this dad's kid may not play, and he'll be a senior. I welcome the challenge of him coming after me. The sup's husband coached wife me and we have a great relationship. The principal's husband is a well established head coach in another district. School board members are thrilled. Come after me and see who is turned loose. One thing my mentor teacher for my student teaching taught me is to play politics. Now I don't kiss ass, but I make sure that the "important" people know and appreciate me. Are we all doing this? Am I nieve enough to think that I'm in as much control as I think I am? I really don't know. But like another coach said, I've had some success and I can sell my abilities, I'll find another job if need be. Plus I'm certified to teach chemistry and physics. They'd have a tough time filling my teaching position  I call it leverage. |
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I call it leverage.