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Post by oddstack on Jul 27, 2006 5:07:00 GMT -6
HEY MEN ,
HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS SCRIPT ? HOW MANY PLAYS ?WHAT WILL GET YOU OFF IT ?
THANKS AS ALWAYS BILL
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Post by tog on Jul 27, 2006 6:20:44 GMT -6
5 to 7 plays , we go off if the on-track is just wayyyy off, , some of the script has either/ors built into as well, so we can hurt people early with their initial reactions to some of our stuff
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Post by coachjd on Jul 27, 2006 6:47:16 GMT -6
We script between 6-10 plays. We are the only oneback team in our area so we are guessing some weeks on what defense we will see during the week.
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Post by blb on Jul 27, 2006 6:48:41 GMT -6
For the contrarian viewpoint,
We do not script. The darn teams we play against never let me tell them what defenses to be in.
Seriously, because we are a Veer team, often the scheme we meet was not the one we saw on film or the year before if we were successful against it. So a script would be a waste of time.
If the defense is what we practiced for all week, we just go ahead and run the game plan.
This is probably due in part to the fact that I'm an old timer who's still a "seat of the pants" kinda guy. Scripting probably works well for a lot of coaches, however.
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Post by brophy on Jul 27, 2006 7:12:51 GMT -6
don't folks have a general idea of what they WANT to show on the first two opening series, to guage how the defense will handle certain sets?
I'd imagine the first 10, at least, would be a good way to get the feelers out there.
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Post by blb on Jul 27, 2006 7:34:29 GMT -6
I believe you're right, brophy. If you are a multiple formation team with movement, you will probably want to find out early how your opponent is going to line up against or adjust to those things.
In that case, scripting is probably valuable if not necessary.
We only have five or six formations (don't use 'em all each game) and don't run motion, so it's not an issue with us. If I want to find out how they're going to adjust to twins for example, I don't need to script it. I just call it early on.
And we don't have that many plays, anyway, that we'd be saving for certain situations only.
I am a visual learner. The plan I use during the game has our formations drawn on it with run plays listed by hole, pass plays by zones so I can "see" them in my mind's eye versus our opponents' defense as well as field position (hash, middle).
When I tried scripting (or "listing") I couldn't find the list I wanted for a specific situation half the time or already knew what I wanted to do without it.
Or, maybe I'm just lazy.
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 27, 2006 7:44:15 GMT -6
i will usually line up in these formations in my first 10 plays to see how the defense will react:
Trey Trips 2x2 2x2 motion to trey 2x2 motion to trips trips motion to 2x2 trey motion to 2x2 Base (2x) 1 other formation...sometimes it is a "crazy" formation that we will only show for 1 play in the whole game, just to try and sneak a quick score.
I don't have specific plays that I want to run out of those formations necessarily...but I like to see how the defense moves pre-snap to these formations.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 27, 2006 8:06:10 GMT -6
scripting is based off your game plan .. i.e. "what you think they will do combined with what you want to do (establish)"
we script plays in "sequences" such that we have several "openers" we will use. our initial 15 plays of the game is set up in a manner where we are trying to "establish" our game plan (what we feel like we must do to win the game). at the same time, we script sets of plays to use for specific situations like 3rd/short. 2nd long. 3rd medium. if we reach one of these scenarios while going through our 1st 15 or another of ours 'sequences' we will get off that script and go to the 'new' script.
example: we have run our 1st 4 plays from the sript with no major problems. but, it is now 3rd & 7. if the 5th play in the script is not one that falls into a 3rd & long category, we get off the opening script and go to the 1st play in the 3rd-long script. the next play we will call will NOW be the 5th play in our openers -- we ALWAYS go back to the openers.
what this does is allow us to play the majority of the game 'on script' so we are sure to establish our plan of attack and see the adjustments the defense has made (their game plan).
while on defense, we script the next series. either the whole thing (package, form. & play) or just part of it (package.... or formation, etc.) throughout the course of the game we are adding & subtracting plays from our categories ... i.e. "we need to run lead weak on short yardage" .. or "stay out of doubles on 3rd & long". we always want to have a databank of plays to pull from on the fly so we do much of our "thinking & planning" when we don't have the ball.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 27, 2006 10:26:12 GMT -6
Agree somewhat with blb. We don't have that many plays and our scheme (one back with Fly motion) is unique to our area. We want to see how teams are going to defense our sweep, recact to motion, line up in coverage, etc. same as most teams. We will "script" 5-7 formations/motions/plays but knowing what our kids can do along with observation from the press box has more impact on our play calling than the bigger script.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 27, 2006 12:18:12 GMT -6
Here is what I did with the belly series. Early I ran the FB (Belly 1) not neccesarily to establish it b/c we were not a good inside running team...but to see how the D keyed it. We would usually hand off to the FB and fake our crossbuck to see if they were keying FB or TB. Then we could go from there. If the LB ran to the FB then by all means the next play was crossbuck. If they stayed home and played sound we usually waited a little long to set it up. Also we wanted to run OSV early to see what the DE was going to do. Was he going to crash etc. I would also throw a play action early on off our best run, often times before even running that run play. So for example if we ran Iso really well on the tape they got Iso pass was probably coming first this week since all week long they got geared up to stop iso.
We did not use a lot of motion or really a lot of formations. But I would run flanker R and then flanker L to see if they flip flopped any personnel. Stuff like that. What do they do when I line up in Wing-I. By alignment can we now down block on the DE with the wing and run toss sweep?
So I probably scripted 7-10 plays from 2-3 formations. But like a lesson plan it is just a guide.
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Post by djwesp on Jul 27, 2006 14:10:21 GMT -6
We script the first play.
Then we have three game plans with 7 scripted plays.
We use one offensive formation (da bone), so the defense they give us on the first play is usually what we'll see for the rest of the game (or until they get frustrated they go back to their base).
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Post by blb on Jul 27, 2006 15:55:20 GMT -6
If you're a multiple formation/movement offense, you should read coach huey's posts.
He more than know whereof he speaks.
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Post by tog on Jul 27, 2006 18:50:09 GMT -6
huey, that is what we do, on track calls when needed it all ends up being gameplanned stuff anyhow
and like blb, our limited formations help/hurt us (depending on how you look at it)
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Post by tedseay on Jul 28, 2006 2:19:56 GMT -6
oddstack: Like most of the coaches here, I don't bother to script as a way to defeat tendencies. However, I do script to see defensive reactions to motion from different areas on the field (hashes versus middle). I will script around 10 plays that show different motions from different ball spots, and the reactions I see will help determine what I run for the rest of the half. My second half calls, of course, will depend a great deal on what we decide to do at halftime.
I am also a big fan of situational scripting, where I will order the plays on my call sheet by what I want to see first in each down-and-distance/field position/time on clock situation. That data gets analyzed after the game, and helps build future game plans.
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Post by tog on Jul 28, 2006 7:13:31 GMT -6
like this? i used pegleg's as a template, and then added all of the stuff we needed on it this is the 1st page of 4 legal sized sheets we use for gamecall sheets, it is standard on track stuff, we have situational attacks page, a formations call page, and a general info page (with stuff like 2point, depth chart, some empty templates of our formations in case they give us a whacky look huey, btw, i made that with a screen capture i just used my computer, it already had it on there en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Print_screen i went to that page and then found the button on my computer, pasted the picture into paint, then loaded it up on photobucket
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Post by knight7616 on Jul 28, 2006 7:31:10 GMT -6
In your scripts, how do you decide a good 2nd and medium or 2nd and short Etc? Will you change week to week?
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Post by tog on Jul 28, 2006 7:34:23 GMT -6
In your scripts, how do you decide a good 2nd and medium or 2nd and short Etc? Will you change week to week? did the picture above not work for you? hmmmmm,, in the pic is how we determine short/med/long etc
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Post by coachjd on Jul 28, 2006 7:46:50 GMT -6
tog, I think what he was asking is how do you determine what plays to put in the call sheet for 2nd and med. or 2nd and long???
Ours will change week to week, depending upon their personel, coverages, base defense, blitz tendancy, etc.....
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 28, 2006 7:46:53 GMT -6
So let's say you only run a handful of runs and basically only throw play action with a limited quick game. All the while only using the following formations: Power I Stack I Wing-I Twins-I Pro-I
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Post by silkyice on Jul 28, 2006 7:50:31 GMT -6
huey, btw, i made that with a screen capture i just used my computer, it already had it on there en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Print_screen i went to that page and then found the button on my computer, pasted the picture into paint, then loaded it up on photobucket Tog, That is so cool. Thanks. Did you use shift-insert to paste the screen capture?
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Post by coachjd on Jul 28, 2006 7:52:51 GMT -6
What we do each weekend is draw up all our formations and how we have seen or think the opponent will align vs all the formations. Then we go over each of our runs and pass protections out of every formation and prioritize what formations and what runs are best vs that defense and coverage. We look at their tendancies when and whom they like to blitz. One week a team may blitz on every down on 2nd and med. and the next team never blitz's on 2nd down. That plays a major roll in our decision of what we want to call in those situations.
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Post by coachjd on Jul 28, 2006 7:57:23 GMT -6
we also want to know how do they adjust to motion. We see so little motion from the other teams we usually have to fall back on the previous years tapes to see how they adjusted.
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Post by tog on Jul 28, 2006 8:06:02 GMT -6
i used control print screen and then pasted it into paint program, then saved it, then uploaded it to photobucket
i get ya jd, how do we determine what to put where on that sheet? gameplan tendencies
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Post by coachjd on Jul 28, 2006 8:07:57 GMT -6
Tog, nice call sheet! Good stuff.
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Post by tog on Jul 28, 2006 8:09:40 GMT -6
well, it is an adaptation of pegleg's
i added two extra pages to it for all the stuff we (I) need up in the box
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Post by sls on Jul 28, 2006 8:49:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the print screen help. That was a skill I learned today.
Hey Tog, is everyone having problems with putfile and posting of large images?
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 28, 2006 9:35:13 GMT -6
2ND AND LONG = play that will pick up half of the yardage. 2ND AND SHORT = play that will pick up the first down. taken from BRIAN BILLICK's book/tape
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 28, 2006 9:40:31 GMT -6
my flippin laptop won't do it...does it need to be hooked up to a printer???
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Post by sls on Jul 28, 2006 13:11:57 GMT -6
Mo, I was not hooked up to a printer. What system are you running?
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 28, 2006 13:46:40 GMT -6
I always like to script the ten or so plays -- See how the defense reacts to certain formations, shuifts, personel and so on. Also tried on the script to include as many of our skill people in the first plays - tends to keep them more involved in the game if they have carried/caught the ball early.
I know a lot of coaches who like to useplay call chart - i do not -- read a book that advocated being able to run all of your offense out on any situation. I'm sure i have some tendencies on playcalling - but I don't want to limit the offense. Example- used to run the winged-t tackle trap - would run it for any situation - short yardage, two-point play, great against pass rushers in long yardage, etc.
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