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Post by averageblkmale on Oct 14, 2007 9:12:39 GMT -6
How would the public varsity hc's out there deal with the problem of your feeder program coaches pushing their best players toward private schools?
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Post by davecisar on Oct 14, 2007 9:44:58 GMT -6
How would the public varsity hc's out there deal with the problem of your feeder program coaches pushing their best players toward private schools? Very few independent, private, youth programs are "feeder" programs. Kids go where they want to go. Mom asks me if she should accept a scholarship worth over $10,000 to go to a school with zero violence and over 95% of the kids going on to college. Hmm may be in the best interests of Junior going to the Private school.
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Post by tog on Oct 14, 2007 9:49:49 GMT -6
How would the public varsity hc's out there deal with the problem of your feeder program coaches pushing their best players toward private schools? i would fire them
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 14, 2007 10:33:45 GMT -6
Agree with tog 100%, and I've been a private school head coach for the past 11 years! If the coach doesn't believe in the positive aspects of your program and your school then get rid of him. No debate on this one. You're either part of the soultion or you're part of the problem.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Oct 14, 2007 11:23:31 GMT -6
Ok, but what if you can't fire them.
I work at a middle school which is one of two feeder schools to the high school. Now I work with the HS on pretty much whatever they want so we don't have this issue. But if I chose to push the kids to private schools the HS program has no say over my job status. The HS HC can't fire me.
What should the HC do if he was in that situation and the MS program was pushing the players to attend a private school?
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Post by coachcalande on Oct 14, 2007 11:33:44 GMT -6
How would the public varsity hc's out there deal with the problem of your feeder program coaches pushing their best players toward private schools? work harder to put a better product on the field, make my program more attractive.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 14, 2007 13:42:30 GMT -6
After talking with the coach and letting him know that our school / district needed to be his first loyalty, if he still chose to do his own thing , I would alert the district and building AD's , the principals, and the superintedent and let them know our district had an employee that was not on board. Students are the life blood of any school and I can't believe school administrators would stand for it.
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Post by poweriguy on Oct 14, 2007 17:16:45 GMT -6
After talking with the coach and letting him know that our school / district needed to be his first loyalty, if he still chose to do his own thing , I would alert the district and building AD's , the principals, and the superintedent and let them know our district had an employee that was not on board. Students are the life blood of any school and I can't believe school administrators would stand for it. Also let them know that the district is losing ADA (Average Daily Attendance) money for those kids. Make it about $$$ and they'll listen.
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Post by davecisar on Oct 14, 2007 17:21:25 GMT -6
Shouldnt it be about what is best for that paticular kid if we are all in this for the sake of kids? If its more about $, or wins/losses, maybe not.
If moms/dads asked me where to send the kids to HS< I always told them what the best fit was regardless of my allegiance to my alma matter or coaching buddies. In the IT business, if my company wasnt a good fit for a project we would send the customer elsewhere, to competitiors.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Oct 14, 2007 21:20:58 GMT -6
I'm pretty confidant in my teaching and coachng abilities. I think I can do as much or more for a kid than any private school. Its not in his best interest to go somewhere else, its in his best interest to be with me. If I didn't believe that, I'd quit. This has never been an issue for us, but I can tell you that if I found out a kid went somewhere else for education/football/anything reason, the thought would never cross my mind that its best for him. We run a great program. If thats not the case for your program, work harder.
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Post by davecisar on Oct 15, 2007 5:47:28 GMT -6
I'm pretty confidant in my teaching and coachng abilities. I think I can do as much or more for a kid than any private school. Its not in his best interest to go somewhere else, its in his best interest to be with me. If I didn't believe that, I'd quit. This has never been an issue for us, but I can tell you that if I found out a kid went somewhere else for education/football/anything reason, the thought would never cross my mind that its best for him. We run a great program. If thats not the case for your program, work harder. My program is a private independent youth program. No one can be all things to all people and do it well IMHO. Those that try to, usually fail pretty badly. Here, even the public schools each have their own specific specializations and the kids can for the most part go wherever they want to. If we have a kid/parent that has goals and needs that our program cant fulfill or someone else fits their unique needs better, we refer them elsewhere. In business if the project was too big, too small or in a technial area we werent terribly strong in , we reffered the client elsewhere. Where we live the test scores, safety, and college admission rates are significantly higher in the Jesuit School than the local Public High School. In many cases the college admission numbers are 3X+. The dropout rates are often 10-30X at the local public school etc. Of course the local HS has lots more money, but for many kids and moms/dads that didnt mean as much as the other criteria they were using to select a school based on the needs of their child. Each individual person has unique needs, goals, interests that one school or company may not meet as well as others. In High School, it's the entire school on evaluates. While some coaches can have significant impact on individual kids with a lot of effort and that's great, the coach can't teach every class or provide security or teach the drama class. It's the total environment, the student body, security, the entire teaching body, the SAT scores, the areas of excellence for that school (drama, film, computers etc),the rate of college admissions etc, The decision is lots more than one committed guy doing his best. One committed coach does not have a significant personal sphere of influence on all those other factors. Just like if a dad/kid came to me and were looking for a program that threw the ball 50 times a game. After telling them the value of getting a well rounded football "education" I would refer them to a youth football program that is a competitor to us that I know throws 30+ times a game, that would fit their needs much better than our program. If a kid is looking for HS advice, is an average student, below average player and just wants to get on the field, I refer him to a program that is dying for players and suits up just 25 on varsity ( thats all they have) etc etc Every kids situation is different and I get a lot of satisfaction from those first generation college students. For those that want that and they have a chance based on someone is willing to give them one for whatever reason, I send them where statistically they have the best chance of reaching their goals.
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