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Post by Mav on Apr 27, 2007 8:49:01 GMT -6
Heard what we thought was an interesting idea - have the sideline camcorder record the conversations on the headsets during the games. This way you'll get all of the exact calls and thoughts, not just the video. I personally know I 'think out loud' constantly about what's happening during a game. This could add another dimension to our self scouting.
The way they did it was they ran a microphone from the camcorder to the earpiece of an old headset. They had a DVD Recorder connected to the camcorder that continuously recorded, while the mini-dv tape had the typical pause/record cuts.
Has anyone else done this or know of anyone who has? Seems like it could have some value in our post game analysis.
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Post by coachaldridge on Apr 27, 2007 8:51:40 GMT -6
I think I will take a tape/digital voice recorder up to the box with me this year. Just let it run and tape play calls, conversation, etc. I guess that is like your running a mike to the camera.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2007 8:52:01 GMT -6
I'm not sure I want something to pick up everything I say. I think the idea has merit, but it gives you one more thing to have to sort through. I know that when I watch the film and have the call in front of me I know what I was thinking on most of them.
Probably has merit for some, but something I don't think I'll go after. Interesting idea though.
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Post by lochness on Apr 27, 2007 8:56:45 GMT -6
The comical value of my conversations on the headset would FAR outweigh any self-learning excercise that might be gained from doing such a thing.  |
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Post by knighter on Apr 27, 2007 9:02:38 GMT -6
My conversations tend to be R rated at BEST. I do not want them taped for posterity...LOL
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Post by barnone on Apr 27, 2007 10:09:08 GMT -6
I am with you on that Knighter... But it sure would be comical. Would have been great this year for us in the State Championship game when the refs gave to opponents a 5th down with us up by one and they were on the +30.  |
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Post by tog on Apr 27, 2007 10:15:25 GMT -6
My conversations tend to be R rated at BEST. I do not want them taped for posterity...LOL can they be bleeped? i agree with knighter i really don't want a record of the conversation |
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Post by tribepride on Apr 27, 2007 10:23:03 GMT -6
Our conversations would also be "bleeped" and comical. Although, it might be fun to listen to what was said during those heated battles on the head sets. My favorite saying to the head is that I will come down and kick him in the nuts if he calls "X" play again. Makes for good conversation during the post game festivities.
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Post by wingman on Apr 27, 2007 10:30:09 GMT -6
Boy would that be a bad idea around here.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Apr 27, 2007 10:54:22 GMT -6
Oh man, I can't imagine hearing the entire conversation. Our camera is right next to me when I call plays and you can often hear my side of the conversation during a play. Its a little uncomfortable when you hear it outside of the context of the game. It can be especially uncomfortable when I may be critiquing a player, particulary when he is a coach's son!
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Post by Mav on Apr 27, 2007 10:58:52 GMT -6
You guys are a riot. Of course ours get pretty heated and are R rated at best too. But what a potentially great tool for self scouting and evaluation. I bet in the heat of battle we remember game time situations different than the actual reality. I have to admit there's something uncomfortable about being this self-reflective ;D  I'm good enough,
I'm smart enough and
dammit I'm a good coachps - can you tell I've been reading too many of Brophy's posts  |
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Post by brophy on Apr 27, 2007 11:28:23 GMT -6
Most of our video is shot next to the press box coordinators. Have to dub every tape for the kids without sound. "GDamit Jimmy! What the F*#@* are you thinking!? Jeezus !$**$#@! You **&$#% can't get a *#@*$@$ thing right!"
No, no no....dont' put Bobby in ...he's a dum*(#K ..........and that is usually coming from the parents right below us ... |
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Post by jwp on Apr 27, 2007 12:36:27 GMT -6
We have junior high coaches record each call, yard line, D/D so everything is easy to input into the system. Other than that would you really have time to go back and listen to the recording during the season?
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Post by Mav on Apr 27, 2007 13:38:18 GMT -6
We have all the D/D, formation, play, etc recorded too. Guess the thought of recording the conversations on the headsets would be more for evaluating the coaching staff. How's our communication, are we getting the correct info from the assts and players, are we anticipating and flowing with the game, etc. Through the years I've found that when you ' measure' something, it seems to encourage people to focus that much more (especially myself). Example - When we're on offense each coach has an area to focus on and provide feedback to the OC as needed or requested. This might be an area to review - I've worked with coaches who are very good and very bad at seeing what's going on live during a game. This might make it easier to correct any issues. I picture using it right after a game, but before the game is cut up and tagged with the D/D, etc data. As soon as a games over, I typically need to review it a couple of times and make notes on how we did as a staff. Some are positive notes and others are on areas that we need to work on. Having the communications in sync with the video could probably help. The following day when the game is cutup, we'll add the data and comments with more of a focus on the players execution. Thne we'll view it with the them. This thought is just 'half baked' at this point - trying to flesh it out... Any addiitonal comments are appreciated. We have junior high coaches record each call, yard line, D/D so everything is easy to input into the system. Other than that would you really have time to go back and listen to the recording during the season? |
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Post by wingtol on Apr 27, 2007 16:07:10 GMT -6
We traded some game films this year with the guy who was the HC at the last school I was at, he took a new job and is in our region now so we swapped film alot this season. So I was talking to him and one of the other guys who I coached with and they said while they were watching the film with their kids they asked guess who coached with us before as I went into a rant about one of our kids who got a personal foul. I am sure to now make sure the sound is not dubbed when we exchange with them  |
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Post by brophy on Apr 27, 2007 16:54:33 GMT -6
We have all the D/D, formation, play, etc recorded too. Guess the thought of recording the conversations on the headsets would be more for evaluating the coaching staff. How's our communication, are we getting the correct info from the assts and players, are we anticipating and flowing with the game, etc. Through the years I've found that when you ' measure' something, it seems to encourage people to focus that much more (especially myself).
I want to be Mav when I grow up.
IMO, that would be IDEAL if you are a HC...
CONTROL everything.....including how the staff communicates.
Personally, I think "Communication in the press box" would make a GREAT clinic topic.....also, this would serve as a great tool to teach / mentor young coaches on your staff
"THIS is how we communicate....THIS is the information we want (this is the information we DON'T want)"
its one thing to tell the guy in the box
"hey, I need you giving me the D&D with the coverages they are in...."
And then have that guy giving you meaningless gibberish (some guy giving commentary like he's just watching a football game) during the game.
Now, you could roll the tape and REPLAY it.....to get him to see how unhelpful his play-by-play is during the game.
OR
that other guy that is pissing down both sides of his legs during the game and the only thing he can offer you during the course of the 20 seconds of feedback is....
"GDamit! M**$@#r F^%#k! M**$@#r F^%#k! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!
...had a LOT of those guys on staff... 
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Post by Mav on Apr 27, 2007 19:49:03 GMT -6
IMO, that would be IDEAL if you are a HC...
CONTROL everything.....including how the staff communicates.
But as the OC (or DC) it's just as important. How the heck can you make the correct calls if you're not getting accurate info. [/font][/size][/quote] Thank you - that's exactly the concept. IMHO, this may be one of the most under-coached areas in football. If we could get all of the assts to be focused and precise on what we need (and don't need) as Coordinators during the game, we'd be in a much better position to make decisions. I'm sure we all have war stories about staff members who aren't providing any useful info on game day. |
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Post by scoresomemore on Apr 28, 2007 8:16:47 GMT -6
Coach,
I sat in on a presentation at a mega clinic this year with Lyle Lansdell where the topic was exactly that, "gameday pressbox to field communications".
this was a very extensive presentation, lots of great ideas, i'll see if i an find my notes.
-scores
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Post by chewy on Apr 28, 2007 10:11:24 GMT -6
Do we want to really create a electronic paper trail on coaches conversations during a game about kids? Some parents would love to get their hands on the audio.
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Post by CVBears on Apr 28, 2007 10:17:21 GMT -6
I like the idea of having conversations recorded and "measure," as Mav put it, the information. I also believe that coaches need to have specific jobs during the game (look at this side of the line, RB movements, coverages, etc.). On the other hand, sometimes the "other" information can be good too. E.g. they never throw a pass when #2 is in the game (if it wasn't already picked up in film), #28 can't turn his hips well on our burner WR, or any other random type of information that isn't specifically described in their game day job. This game has a lot to do with information. Not all information we use, but that doesn't mean OC/DC/HCs don't want the information to base decisions off of. If assistants are judged/measured on everything they say, I fear they may be hesitant in stating the "other" information that they may be wrong on. Maybe not so much with close-knit staffs that have been working together for a while. But it could be an issue with younger, greener, ego driven staffs or staffs that haven't been together for a while or staffs that aren't that close-knit.
If an HC creates an environment that people do their job well, but still give information comfortably, and provide support when they mess up, what a wonderful tool to record and measure coach banter during the game!
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Post by kdcoach on Apr 28, 2007 12:44:29 GMT -6
Not one chance we're taping our conversations!!! Boy if those ever got out..... hehehehheh
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 28, 2007 14:59:37 GMT -6
You have entirely way too much time on your hands if you have time to listen to tapes of your in game conversations with other coaches.
Do you teach? Do you have a family? I can not possibly imagine having enough time to go threw a game, watch it and critique my conversations I had on the headsets.
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Post by phantom on Apr 28, 2007 15:56:19 GMT -6
Not one chance we're taping our conversations!!! Boy if those ever got out..... hehehehheh Exactly. No hard evidence. |
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Post by coachcoyote on Apr 28, 2007 22:25:43 GMT -6
Perhaps a good idea, but finding the extra time to critique seems like taking time away from somewhere else. Have your sheets in the box, tell each guy what you want. We used to put our young guys up once a week until they felt comfortable talking to downstairs. It gave them the opportunity to make the mistakes that are inevitable, then correct, in a controlled environment.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 29, 2007 17:27:13 GMT -6
I think it comes down to the Cost vs Benefit. The cost is the time it would involve versus the benefit of improved (?) communication. Coyote and Rookie are on the right track when they say it is up to the head coach to make sure everyone on staff is contributing to the collection of information including D/D, coverages, alignment and the like. We're a small school and everyone of our assistants has sideline or pressbox duty on game day and when we (DC and myself) ask for something we expect an answer. We also have that same info written down so we can use it during film time.
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